[NL2-NL10] NL5 FR - AA on MP2

    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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      Hero (MP2): $6.52 (130.4 bb)
      MP3: $2.78 (55.6 bb)
      CO: $4.04 (80.8 bb)
      BTN: $6.19 (123.8 bb)
      SB: $3.95 (79 bb)
      BB: $5.35 (107 bb)
      UTG+1: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
      UTG+2: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
      MP1: $4.46 (89.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A A
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 4 folds, BB calls $0.15

      Flop: ($0.42) T 8 8 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30

      Turn: ($1.62) 8 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.03, BB calls $1.03

      River: ($3.68) K (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

      Results:
      $9.68 pot ($0.53 rake)
      Final Board: T 8 8 8 K
      Hero mucked A A and lost (-$4.83 net)
      BB showed 8 7 and won $9.15 ($4.32 net)

      BB Stats: VPIP: 18, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2,6, Hands: 139

      That kind of player raises on the flop even with a Ten or some higher PP like JJ or QQ, without 3betting Preflop (and not that often they raise w/ trips).
      Due to this, decided to call and see what happens.
      The 8 on the turn confirmed my theory (in my mind), and I started betting on his check.
      Too bad he got a four of a kind.
      Thoughts? Especially on the river.
  • 5 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello AtrociousNightmare,

      Well, why do you skip value on the river then if you assume he has a lot of Tx hands in his range? :) Just ship it there.

      Best Regards.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello AtrociousNightmare,

      Well, why do you skip value on the river then if you assume he has a lot of Tx hands in his range? :) Just ship it there.

      Best Regards.
      With a 4Bet/fold (something like 1.5 or 1.6) on the flop I turn my hand into a bluff right?
      Wouldn't a check behind on river be a better move anyway?
      Even though I can assume he could even have a Tx or JJ QQ hand there, would he really call a shove on the river on such a board?
      Maybe something between 1/3 and 1/2 pot size bet/fold move could be even better there?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by AtrociousNightmare
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello AtrociousNightmare,

      Well, why do you skip value on the river then if you assume he has a lot of Tx hands in his range? :) Just ship it there.

      Best Regards.
      With a 4Bet/fold (something like 1.5 or 1.6) on the flop I turn my hand into a bluff right?
      Wouldn't a check behind on river be a better move anyway?
      Even though I can assume he could even have a Tx or JJ QQ hand there, would he really call a shove on the river on such a board?
      Maybe something between 1/3 and 1/2 pot size bet/fold move could be even better there?
      You can't 4bet the flop. You are 3betting the flop. And nope, we ain't turning our hand into bluff. Depends a lot on the opponent.

      Well, if you Bet the river for value then just take full stack no half stack. Nor the block-bet doesn't make sense if you planning to Call it off anyways or unless you tries to induce bluff but then you should have make a bigger bet.
    • AtrociousNightmare
      AtrociousNightmare
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2010 Posts: 1,185
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by AtrociousNightmare
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello AtrociousNightmare,

      Well, why do you skip value on the river then if you assume he has a lot of Tx hands in his range? :) Just ship it there.

      Best Regards.
      With a 4Bet/fold (something like 1.5 or 1.6) on the flop I turn my hand into a bluff right?
      Wouldn't a check behind on river be a better move anyway?
      Even though I can assume he could even have a Tx or JJ QQ hand there, would he really call a shove on the river on such a board?
      Maybe something between 1/3 and 1/2 pot size bet/fold move could be even better there?
      You can't 4bet the flop. You are 3betting the flop. And nope, we ain't turning our hand into bluff. Depends a lot on the opponent.

      Well, if you Bet the river for value then just take full stack no half stack. Nor the block-bet doesn't make sense if you planning to Call it off anyways or unless you tries to induce bluff but then you should have make a bigger bet.
      Yeah I meant 3Bet sorry xD
      Obviously if I block-bet the river I don't plan to call it off, that's why I mentioned it. (ignore how I played the river on the actual hand, I don't like it)
      So would a block-bet make sense here?

      (sorry for so many questions this hand is giving me problems xD )
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by AtrociousNightmare
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by AtrociousNightmare
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello AtrociousNightmare,

      Well, why do you skip value on the river then if you assume he has a lot of Tx hands in his range? :) Just ship it there.

      Best Regards.
      With a 4Bet/fold (something like 1.5 or 1.6) on the flop I turn my hand into a bluff right?
      Wouldn't a check behind on river be a better move anyway?
      Even though I can assume he could even have a Tx or JJ QQ hand there, would he really call a shove on the river on such a board?
      Maybe something between 1/3 and 1/2 pot size bet/fold move could be even better there?
      You can't 4bet the flop. You are 3betting the flop. And nope, we ain't turning our hand into bluff. Depends a lot on the opponent.

      Well, if you Bet the river for value then just take full stack no half stack. Nor the block-bet doesn't make sense if you planning to Call it off anyways or unless you tries to induce bluff but then you should have make a bigger bet.
      Yeah I meant 3Bet sorry xD
      Obviously if I block-bet the river I don't plan to call it off, that's why I mentioned it. (ignore how I played the river on the actual hand, I don't like it)
      So would a block-bet make sense here?

      (sorry for so many questions this hand is giving me problems xD )
      On the river? :P No, I would ship it for value. :D Only realistic sizing is like $1 but even then the guy could easily just have KT. :)