[NL2-NL10] NL10: AT 3way donkbet + bad turn bet?

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1867448
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      CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 9, AF: 4,5, Hands: 515
      BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 2,4, Hands: 167
      SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 8,0, AFq: 50, DonkbetFlop: 33(3), Hands: 64
      BB: $10.25 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 13
      UTG: $10.66 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 3,7, Hands: 103
      Hero (MP): $11.16 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 4,6, Hands: 56532

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with T :spade: A :diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.90) K :heart: 5 :heart: A :spade: (3 players)
      SB bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

      Turn: ($2.40) 6 :heart: (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB calls $1.60, BB folds

      River: ($5.60) 9 :club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      I don't think I like my turn bet since the FD completed. If the FD had not completed it would make sense because he can still maybe have the FD, but other than that – he can easily have a better ace (AJ, AQ) that he wanted to protect on the flop from checks behind.
  • 5 replies
    • pokerboy198229
      pokerboy198229
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      Joined: 20.08.2011 Posts: 1,100
      Small Blind donkbets more than 50% of the time.
      So the only thing u should know is what he does with the hands as AJ/AQ/AK pre-flop. Does he 3-bet them?

      Otherwise value bet him on the river! That 9 is a safe card, unless he holds exactly A9.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Small Blind donkbets more than 50% of the time.


      ? Where did you get that percentage? And the sample size is ridiculously small anyway.

      I also don't think we can valuebet the river. What weaker hands do you expect him to call with? After he called the turn? He obviously has something and it is not the flush. Looks very much like a pair and judging from his preflop stats/range, not likely to be a weaker one too often.
    • Alleen86
      Alleen86
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      Joined: 27.05.2010 Posts: 4,785
      I 'm note sure if it would be the right move, but why not to raise flop? They would probably 3bet AK preflop, maybe eaven AQ, so I don't think this would be often in their range. They could easily have worse Ax, draws or maybe Kx, I think. If someone calls, I would check back on that turn card (or fold, if someone bets the turn).
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      The only weaker hands that we can expect them to call with if we raise are FDs. I think we are isolating ourselves against a stronger range by raising there. We can't really exclude AQ, even AK is sometimes possible, not to mention 55.

      I actually already am a bit worried on the flop since SB has got at least some equity in the hand and I doubt he is donking a king there + I don't think he has got that many weaker Ax hands in his preflop calling range. So his possible range on the flop is 55, FDs, Ax and we are very well ahead of weaker Ax hands anyway, why force them out by raising, which looks so strong? + He can have better Ax and 55.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Avatars91,

      Check behind the turn, especially being multiway pot. There ain't tons of worse hands which pay you and you may easily just value-town yourself. They ain't betting the river anyways with worse hands.

      Best Regards.