[NL2-NL10] A8s line BvB NL10 MSS

    • Castle93
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      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1870610
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      BB: $10.57 - VPIP: 63, PFR: 28, 3B: 10, AF: 3.3, Hands: 32
      UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 0.3, Hands: 55
      MP: $43.76 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 1.3, Hands: 55
      CO: $10.47 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 0.0, Hands: 54
      BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 11, AF: 2.0, Hands: 54
      Hero (SB): $3.90 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 4.0, Hands: 7298

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 8 :diamond: A :diamond:
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.60) 6 :club: 9 :spade: 8 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

      Turn: ($1.24) 4 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      River: ($1.24) Q :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80


      I checked the turn with the intention of x/f to any bet, I dont think he would float this flop with air so when he just calls the flop he could a marginal hand/value hand which he probably would still bet OTT when checked to for protect/ value from draws.

      On the other hand, he could have a draw which he will probably just x/behind the turn and hope to hit OTR.

      I checked the river with the intention of calling any non spade/ T or 5 river which i think after ive checked twice he will bluff the majority of his missed draws. What do you think gerv?

      Final Pot: $2.84
      BB shows 5 :spade: A :spade:
      Hero shows 8 :diamond: A :diamond:
      Hero wins $2.71
      (Rake: $0.13)
  • 12 replies
    • JohnDoe1313
      JohnDoe1313
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      Hi,

      I would bet more on flop and 2nd barrel this turn. Considering this player's stats I think there are many connectors in his range. Then my plan would be c/f river.
    • Castle93
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      It's a good standard line, in your opinion though after we double barrel and then check then check the river, how often do you think he's bluffing with a missed draw that we then have to c/f? Would it be rare or often
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by JohnDoe1313
      I would bet more on flop and 2nd barrel this turn. Considering this player's stats I think there are many connectors in his range. Then my plan would be c/f river.
      If you think his range is consisting of many connectors then betting does not make sense

      Given the fact he checked back on the Turn, you can exclude them all out most of the time. JT completes though but since his range is vague, I can see myself bluffcatching here some % of the time

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • Castle93
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      thanks gerv
    • JohnDoe1313
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      If you think his range is consisting of many connectors then betting does not make sense
      Could you explain why not? Many connectors have weaker pair + draw, flushdraw, gutshots we could get value from.

      Board: 9:spade: 8:spade: 6:club:  4:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      SB     43.95%  43.95%   0.00% { Ad8d }
      BB     56.05%  56.05%   0.00% { JJ-TT, 77, A9s, KTs-K9s, QTs-Q9s, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, A9o, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o }

      Considering 99,88,66 would raise flop I think our equity is good enough to bet again ?(
    • Castle93
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      slight change to his range i dont think he would call the flop flop with KTs, he might fold QTs unless they were spades (yu just put KTs etc in general), i also dont think hes calling the turn with hands like 56s etc.
    • JohnDoe1313
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      My bad, KT-QT should be in :spade: We can exclude 65o too, ok. The EQ is 40.75% then.
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by JohnDoe1313
      Originally posted by Gerv
      If you think his range is consisting of many connectors then betting does not make sense
      Could you explain why not? Many connectors have weaker pair + draw, flushdraw, gutshots we could get value from.

      Board: 9:spade: 8:spade: 6:club:  4:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      SB     43.95%  43.95%   0.00% { Ad8d }
      BB     56.05%  56.05%   0.00% { JJ-TT, 77, A9s, KTs-K9s, QTs-Q9s, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, A9o, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o }

      Considering 99,88,66 would raise flop I think our equity is good enough to bet again ?(

      Well you are playing against a Callingstation so assuming you mean we are semibluffing (since we are clearly not ahead on the Turn) we need fold equity.

      Therefore:

      Board: 9:spade: 8:spade: 6:club:  4:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    61.03%  61.03%   0.00% { JJ-TT, 77-66, A9s, K9s, Q9s, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, KsTs, KcTc, QsTs, QcTc, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, 6s5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, A9o, JTo, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o }
      MP3    38.97%  38.97%   0.00% { Ad8d }




      Yes we are not far behind but we have a very low FEQ statistic which brings us to the River most of the time. Then we are forced to 3barrel A LOT against him on the River while the RIver can complete the draws.

      I do not want to 3barrel bluff against this player while I can easily get his money by valuebetting in other spots

      Hope it makes sense
    • JohnDoe1313
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      So it's not about turn equity, it's about that we have still river to play? If we put him on draws, we can't check/fold because we'll get bluffed too often and I see there's no point in barreling a fish on this limit. Do I understand it right?
    • Gerv
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      Originally posted by JohnDoe1313
      So it's not about turn equity, it's about that we have still river to play?
      The game does not end on the Turn yes that's correct

      If we put him on draws, we can't check/fold because we'll get bluffed too often and I see there's no point in barreling a fish on this limit. Do I understand it right?
      We do not put something on only draws or only made hands or only air. We made an assessment of his range consisting of x% draws, y% made hands etc.

      You want to check/call the Turn but what are you going to do on the River? check/call again? if you check/fold the River, what do you gain by check/calling? I do not think this guy is going to stop betting when he blanks on the River. It's not so much about balancing/exploitation here which I can get out of your questions

      - Gerv
    • JohnDoe1313
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      Sorry, I expressed myself wrong. This opinion
      If we put him on draws, we can't check/fold because we'll get bluffed too often and I see there's no point in barreling a fish on this limit. Do I understand it right?
      was about our river play if we bet turn and get called. I mean if we put him on draws and none will be completed on river it'll be a guessing game whether to bluffcatch since he can still have a made hand and tripple barreling with weak hand isn't good.

      I agree check/calling turn would be horrible play.
    • Gerv
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      I still think we are behind against the made hands if I correctly assessed the situation if we bet the Turn, Rivercard = not complete draw

      It is still a frequency thing where he mostly valuebets better 99% of the time and an unknown % of the time he bluffs. I still think people do not bluff often enough to make this a slamdunk check/call on the River when we bet the Turn

      - Gerv