5bet sizing

    • Tomaloc
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,007
      cash game question (kinda obv)

      so... where do we start to draw the line from 5betjamming to "just 5betting"? and how to size it?

      this has been bothering me for a while... example, at today fr50 session.
      115bb effective, random late mp reg opens 3x, i 3bet to 9bb from btn, he makes it 21bb. 5bet to? (3bet to 10?)

      also, any thoughts on min5betting at 100bb effective?
  • 6 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,007
    • Tiltmeifucan
      Joined: 21.04.2012 Posts: 471

      If you have 5bet hand, just shove. How much will you bet 42bb? What's the point? I don't think minraise is the right play, right? :D

      It could depend on opponent though and how deep is your stack, but as i recall i heard somewhere, that if you put more than half of you stack in play preflop, you should ship it right away.
    • Phgrinder
      Joined: 16.02.2009 Posts: 1,007
      i just made one earlier, playing zoom lol

      PokerStars Zoom Hand #85520339757: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2012/08/31 21:09:41 ET
      Table 'Halley' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
      Seat 1: callandurout ($3.99 in chips)
      Seat 2: HERO ($2.07 in chips)
      Seat 3: fortatko ($2.30 in chips)
      Seat 4: 88krtek ($2.26 in chips)
      Seat 5: vtyur ($2.85 in chips)
      Seat 6: Doko Karlo ($3.51 in chips)
      HERO: posts small blind $0.01
      fortatko: posts big blind $0.02
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to HERO [2d Ac]
      88krtek: folds
      vtyur: folds
      Doko Karlo: folds
      callandurout: raises $0.03 to $0.05
      HERO: raises $0.15 to $0.20
      fortatko: folds
      callandurout: raises $0.23 to $0.43
      HERO: raises $0.37 to $0.80
      callandurout: folds
      Uncalled bet ($0.37) returned to HERO
      HERO collected $0.88 from pot
    • ClimaxingWalrus
      Joined: 31.10.2010 Posts: 132
      I don't think you should be 5betting 100bb deep. 99.9% of the time it's not a bluff so shoving looks weaker imo, especially LP vs Blinds or BvB where it's more likely people might 3bet a low pocket pair to jam over a 4bet because you're never going to 5bet with those pairs you would just ship it so it takes them out of their range when they 5bet imo. I think you can argue finding a fold with something like 99-JJ maybe even QQ after 4betting to like 20-22bb when people 5bet 100bb deep. I would only 5bet if it requires less than 25% of my stack, any more than that I'm just jamming because I don't think people have much off a bluffing range when they shove in more than a 1/4 of their stack tbh.
    • mkjmkjmkj
      Joined: 05.02.2012 Posts: 159
      when you 5bet villain should have more than a potsize 6bet left else it would not make much sense for you to 5bet fold

      87s vs QQ+ AK AKs
      has 30% equity so you almost has the odds to call a potsize raise

      so in the example effictive stacks 115 BB you cant 5bet fold if you 5bet to more than 36,5 BB. if villain should expect you to have any 5bet bluffs you cant 5bet bigger
    • Tomaloc
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,007
      thanks for the answers. :f_biggrin: