[NL2-NL10] NL10: KQ CC vs unknown midstack

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1871586
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      MP: $5.19 - VPIP: 75, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1,3, Hands: 16
      Hero (CO): $10.68 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 4,6, Hands: 57711
      BTN: $10.20 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3,0, Hands: 384
      SB: $12.37 - VPIP: 68, PFR: 40, 3B: 0, AF: 2,8, Hands: 25
      BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 1,3, Hands: 67
      UTG: $15.43 - VPIP: 39, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1,8, Hands: 31

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K :spade: Q :club:
      1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.95) 3 :club: 7 :club: 4 :diamond: (3 players)
      BB checks, MP bets $0.40, Hero folds, BB calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.75) 5 :club: (2 players)
      BB checks, MP checks

      River: ($1.75) Q :spade: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.50, MP raises to $4.49, BB folds

      Is it worth calling vs an unknown midstack/shortstack? Especially since there is another shortstack/midstack + a very loose guy behind that can call and make it a multiway pot?
  • 7 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Hi,

      I would mostly 3-bet against 75/13 player, since I think KQ is ahead or at least even his pre-flop raise range

      Hand Equity Wins Ties
      KQ 43.47% 1,822,784,808 284,663,560
      15% 56.53% 2,413,034,192 284,663,560

      and playing postflop ip would give me that much more equity that it is shoving profit 3-betting middlestacks with KQ for value.

      If you don´t want to 3-bet then call is perfectly fine- you dominate his KJ, QJ type hands and can continue 1/3 of times (or if you want to make moves then for example raising 1.2$ that board is also fine- it is very hard wide range of hands to continue and very likely he would b/c only his overpairs or flushdraws)

      best regards,
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Veriz, what do you prefer to do here preflop?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Avatars91,

      Don't see why we should be 3betting if we ain't doing it for value. The guy may go broke very loose and we are just wasting money into mid-stacker here. Therefore either we Call and play postflop if we assume he could have worse hands in his range or just fold it if rather not. We can't overplay the guy anyways with those stacks and him being that loose.

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      I assume that he can very likely have worse hands in his range, however, what makes me concerned here is the very high likelihood of the pot becoming a multiway one. Can we still call if we assume to be ahead of the openraiser's range, but it is likely that someone else behind us is going to overcall?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      I assume that he can very likely have worse hands in his range, however, what makes me concerned here is the very high likelihood of the pot becoming a multiway one. Can we still call if we assume to be ahead of the openraiser's range, but it is likely that someone else behind us is going to overcall?
      It's not that horrible to play it multiway if we are getting called by bad players. And as said if we do the 3bet for value then we could also 3bet it.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      If we 3Bet for value here, what is the best 3Bet sizing vs his stack in this spot?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      If we 3Bet for value here, what is the best 3Bet sizing vs his stack in this spot?
      I'd go for 3x. :)