[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL 50 QQ 4bet vs squeeze

    • DeMarcohsp
      DeMarcohsp
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 1,975
      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      BB: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      UTG: $44 (88 bb)
      MP: $55.75 (111.5 bb)
      CO: $52.47 (104.9 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $53.11 (106.2 bb)
      SB: $68.89 (137.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
      UTG raises to $1.50, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB raises to $5.50, 2 folds, CO calls $4, Hero raises to $13, SB calls $7.50, CO folds

      Flop: ($33.50) K J 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($33.50) 6 (2 players)
      SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

      River: ($38.50) 3 (2 players)
      SB bets $8.50, Hero folds

      I thought that 4betting preflop yields a higher EV than a shove.

      On the flop I thin that all his value range beats me so I check back.

      Turn planned to call this bet and evaluate river (mostly folding), I thought he might take a cheap stab here, but after thinking about the hand more deeply I think my opponent has AA here (I'd expect villains to make it bigger with QQ/AK) and he also knows that I cannot be strong here.
  • 6 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello DeMarcohsp,

      He may easily have there a inducing range and of course trapping range which flats the 4bet just like that in those spots. So whatever he has will be rather stronger. Though I would most likely end up calling him there and taking a note for the given odds.

      Note about his squeeze size + note for his flatting range.

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Can't we squeeze ourselves vs unknowns? QQ is good enough?

      Don't you think SB is really strong if he 3B vs UTG and vs so many people? I would just flat the 3B tbh :/
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Can't we squeeze ourselves vs unknowns? QQ is good enough?

      Don't you think SB is really strong if he 3B vs UTG and vs so many people? I would just flat the 3B tbh :/
      Well, depends what was Hero's plan, I don't really know much about SB. The guy may easily squeeze there loose as well so it's a perfect spot to trap it. Nor of course squeezing for value wouldn't be wrong either.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Can't we squeeze ourselves vs unknowns? QQ is good enough?

      Don't you think SB is really strong if he 3B vs UTG and vs so many people? I would just flat the 3B tbh :/
      Well, depends what was Hero's plan, I don't really know much about SB. The guy may easily squeeze there loose as well so it's a perfect spot to trap it. Nor of course squeezing for value wouldn't be wrong either.
      Do you mean that if we plan to squeeze/fold it is bad?
    • bonecore
      bonecore
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      Joined: 02.11.2009 Posts: 1,057
      his squeeze indicates medium to strong hand
      you reraise ... so your intention was to get it all in preflop wich i think it is a mistake only if you knew he is 3-betting light to isolate in wich case a call would be good.

      small bet out of position on river .....i dont think he wants you to fold so he has at least AJ , QQ ,AKor monster KK , JJ.

      if i was you i wouldnt accept that small donk bet on turn ... i would raise it to 3x ... this would usually give me back the initiative and i can check on river
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Can't we squeeze ourselves vs unknowns? QQ is good enough?

      Don't you think SB is really strong if he 3B vs UTG and vs so many people? I would just flat the 3B tbh :/
      Well, depends what was Hero's plan, I don't really know much about SB. The guy may easily squeeze there loose as well so it's a perfect spot to trap it. Nor of course squeezing for value wouldn't be wrong either.
      Do you mean that if we plan to squeeze/fold it is bad?
      No, I was talking about SB who squeezed -> maybe was aggressive and hero was trapping.