[NL2-NL10] NL10 FR 080912 - AA missed river value?

    • faronel
      faronel
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.07.2011 Posts: 1,186
      PartyGaming - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      MP+1: $22.66
      Hero (LP): $13.91
      CO: $10.00
      BTN: $10.38
      SB: $3.90
      BB: $4.50
      UTG: $8.48
      UTG+1: $10.10
      MP: $12.42

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A:heart: A:club:

      UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.40

      Flop: ($1.15, 2 players) Q:club: 3:club: J:club:
      UTG checks, Hero bets $0.82, UTG calls $0.82

      Turn: ($2.79, 2 players) 7:diamond:
      UTG checks, Hero bets $1.99, UTG calls $1.99

      River: ($6.77, 2 players) 5:heart:
      UTG checks, Hero checks


      UTG shows 4:spade: 4:club: (One Pair, Fours)
      Hero shows A:heart: A:club: (One Pair, Aces)
      Hero wins $6.44


      1) Should I have bet the river as well? And if yes, then what bet sizing?
  • 4 replies
    • TheWinnerTakesItAll
      TheWinnerTakesItAll
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.01.2012 Posts: 1,187
      UTG looks like fish and on the river he has 5,17$ left in his stack, so I think you should shove the river or bet small and call his shove.
    • CPallo
      CPallo
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.04.2012 Posts: 4,343
      Checking back isn't bad, because you could ask yourself: what worse hand would be calling you 3 streets? Maybe KQ, but that's about it. So betting there would most likely isolate yourself against better hands.

      Small valuebet, e.g 1/4 of the pot could do it's purpose here.
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,858
      bet the flop and turn a bit bigger, then reevaluate the river.

      "as played"... on the river it still feels like a value ship because he's fishy and he'd most likely raise twopair+ earlier on this board.
      his likely range imo is Qx, random one pair hands with a and a few random flushes. i don't think he has too many better hands because these would most likely play more aggressively sometime or donk the river.

      the other main possibility is that he raises only flushes but that's not too common...

      the problem with your sizings is that if he doesn't have Qx he will probably have some trouble calling you with worse on the river, and bet/folding is awkward.
      by leaving something like a halfpot bet left on the river it's much harder for him to fold his pair+ hands
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello faronel,

      Vs a loose guy could easily Bet the flop already bigger and the same for turn and prepare to ship it vs such a guy. He could easily have a lot worse hands in his range which pay you off. :) Any better hand would most likely raise earlier.

      Best Regards.