[NL2-NL10] NL10: 98s OOP call

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      SB: $9.84 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 9, AF: 1,8, Hands: 489
      Hero (BB): $10.15 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 4,7, Hands: 68372
      CO: $5.91 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 19, 3B: 4, AF: 2,0, Hands: 78
      BTN: $10.63 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 1,1, cBetFlop: 56(16), cBetTurn: 0(2), WTS:24, W$SD: 31, Hands: 305

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 8 :club: 9 :club:
      1 fold, BTN raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.65) 7 :spade: 2 :heart: J :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($0.65) 5 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.50, BTN folds

      Previous action: I had 3Bet villain a couple times before, thus I don't really want to be 3Betting this hand now as I want to play pretty tight with my 3Bets vs him for a while. Still, the hand ought to be callable, especially given his relatively low cBet stat and our equity vs his range + the odds we are getting.

      As played: ought to be fine with our GS + since he has not shown interest in the pot. Sort of what we was hoping for when making the preflop call.
  • 11 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Hello Avatars91,

      If you playing those hands then you should also be willing to donk in those spots where you somewhat have equity as for example GS. You will see Check behind there and then on turn comes an overcard, what then? :)

      Nor you can't even be sure if you will have in vacuum enough of fold equity on the turn cause the guy could simple call with K/A.

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      If our opponent was a very active cBetter, could we check/raise instead of donking, provided we assume we have fold equity?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      If our opponent was a very active cBetter, could we check/raise instead of donking, provided we assume we have fold equity?
      Don't see any reason to Check/Raise here with just GS, worst board to do that and being OOP.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      If we can't checkraise (even if we assume that villain cBets very often), is the reasoning behind a donkbet being doable (or even necessary given our preflop call) that even an active cBetter would frequently cBet this board with at least some equity in the hand, which consequently decreases our fold equity vs his cBetting range?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      If we can't checkraise (even if we assume that villain cBets very often), is the reasoning behind a donkbet being doable (or even necessary given our preflop call) that even an active cBetter would frequently cBet this board with at least some equity in the hand, which consequently decreases our fold equity vs his cBetting range?
      Why would it be necessary? It's not the best board to fight back overall so which means if we check then give up.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      But hypothetically if the opponent was playing straightforwardly and had a cBetting leak (a high flop cBet % and we knew that he often even cBets this kind of a board), would it not logically follow that check/raising is much better than donking? If he's playing straightforwardly he knows that we can still have a set or a FD (hence why we could bet big on FD completing turns + rivers) and most importantly – we get value from his wide cBetting range, which he will be very often forced to fold. Whereas if we donk we look weaker + don't get value from his bluffs.

      Of course, this is not the case here, but surely check/raising is not impossible here provided we have a specific opponent vs us?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      But hypothetically if the opponent was playing straightforwardly and had a cBetting leak (a high flop cBet % and we knew that he often even cBets this kind of a board), would it not logically follow that check/raising is much better than donking? If he's playing straightforwardly he knows that we can still have a set or a FD (hence why we could bet big on FD completing turns + rivers) and most importantly – we get value from his wide cBetting range, which he will be very often forced to fold. Whereas if we donk we look weaker + don't get value from his bluffs.

      Of course, this is not the case here, but surely check/raising is not impossible here provided we have a specific opponent vs us?
      Why would be Check/Raising better here with practically 0 equity, just have a GS. Whilst the guy continues with very wide range and a lot of draws, so it's out of question to Check/Raise in those spots even if he has a wide CBetting range.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      Why is donking vs wide cBetting ranges on this board then a good option? Villain continues there with even a wider range than vs a check/raise.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      Why is donking vs wide cBetting ranges on this board then a good option? Villain continues there with even a wider range than vs a check/raise.
      NEVER-EVER said it's good, it's just you asking those questions. :D Check/Fold is pretty standard there.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
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      I am a bit confused about this statement then ?( :
      If you playing those hands then you should also be willing to donk in those spots where you somewhat have equity as for example GS. You will see Check behind there and then on turn comes an overcard, what then?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Avatars91
      I am a bit confused about this statement then ?( :
      If you playing those hands then you should also be willing to donk in those spots where you somewhat have equity as for example GS. You will see Check behind there and then on turn comes an overcard, what then?
      That means that you can't just go for Check/Fold always in those spots where you at least have some piece of the board and we assume him CBetting small amount. If he CBs you can never-ever Check/Raise vs such a CB cause the guy will equity. :P Shouldn't be that difficult to understand. :(