[NL20-NL50] Aa Nl50

    • BruceLee89
      BruceLee89
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.09.2009 Posts: 241
      On Game, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $101.14 (202.3 bb)
      UTG: $50.84 (101.7 bb)
      Hero (MP): $75.74 (151.5 bb)
      CO: $39.07 (78.1 bb)
      BTN: $50.24 (100.5 bb)
      SB: $73.80 (147.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A A
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero raises to $11, SB calls $6

      Flop: ($22.50) 4 5 3 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $11.25, SB raises to $24.75, Hero raises to $64.74, SB calls $38.05 and is all-in

      Turn: ($148.10) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($148.10) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $148.10 pot ($3.00 rake)
      Final Board: 4 5 3 J 8
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$73.80 net)
      SB showed 3 3 and won $145.10 ($71.30 net)



      I've made a mistake with the 4bet size because I didn't see we were 150x
  • 7 replies
    • iambanker
      iambanker
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.06.2011 Posts: 5,519
      4b pf bigger, as u said. Postflop bet less, u blocked Ac, so there is no reason to protect our hand with this sizing(often he has at best 2 outs). After his ch/r its quite interesting. I assume, that he would just call low PPs vs MP 150bb deep to set mine, so probably we can discount them a little bit. There is no reason for him to play this way JJ-KK. I am not sure, I would probably fold because NL50 is still quite straightforward limit, so I dont expect huge bluffs in this deeper spots, people are still money scared :) . For me it makes sence to play this way 76s, but its just 4k.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      4bet is kind of small but I won't say it's all that bad esp if villain folds a lot.

      As played I think iambanker is right, and we should just bet smaller postflop in 4bet pots in general so I bet like 8-9$ and get it in. It's so rare that they call 4bets with small PP given that small pocketpairs are best played in stack depths of 120-150bb.

      Definitely treating AA like the nuts here, so often people just misplay their JJ-KK here even at this stack depth
    • BruceLee89
      BruceLee89
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.09.2009 Posts: 241
      His fold to 4bet is pretty low, for this reason I think it's a mistake and the 30% (on 8 hands) he calls the 4bet. For the postflop his raise to cbet in 3bets pot is 0 (11 hands) but this is a 4bet one so it's not the same. I think he can play Kx and Qx of clubs, any suited connectors of clubs,66, JJ+ in the same way so for this reason I've decided to go broke but I really don't know if it is +Ev in the long run because we're deep.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I''m certain it's +EV. In fact I think you are a significant favourite.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BruceLee89,

      Preflop: Especially being deep we should 4bet it even 3x.
      Postflop: Give us information on the guy, don't keep them for yourself. We can't provide you correct analyze if we don't have the information. As for example what's his W$SD which could tell us how loose he goes broke, what kind of reads you have on him, how loose he goes broke etc. According to that we can base either to go broke or not, especially if he has high W$SD you wont really see tons of worse hands here.

      Though I'd also Bet the flop smaller and then reevaluate the line according the way I see the opponent, though I doubt that you are going to see Qx/Kx hands Check/Raising here whilst he haven't Check/Raised any yet nor raise the CB.

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Would you fold without any info about villain veriz? Or do you need info that he's rather nitty and has a high w$sd in order to lay our aces down?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Would you fold without any info about villain veriz? Or do you need info that he's rather nitty and has a high w$sd in order to lay our aces down?
      With 0 information broke. :)