[NL20-NL50] 10 10 shove against agro 3 bettor nl 25 sh

    • dzikson999
      dzikson999
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2010 Posts: 532
      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $25.35
      CO: $50.63
      BTN: $29.02
      Hero (SB): $47.53
      BB: $25.25

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T:club: T:heart:

      fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.62, Hero calls $0.52, BB raises to $2.73, fold, Hero raises to $47.53 and is all-in, BB calls $22.52 and is all-in

      Flop: ($51.12, 2 players) 8:diamond: J:heart: 9:heart:

      Turn: ($51.12, 2 players) 4:heart:

      River: ($51.12, 2 players) 8:club:

      BB-Villain is 27/22 ,3 bet 13%, ag f 2.5
      Is this good tactics against sqeez agro player ( i plan to mix it up with some AA, KK,AK as well)
  • 5 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Do you really need to be balanced here? May or may not be good. You might want to think about whether you want to 3bet TT yourself in the first place against BU. If not your value 3bet range will become too narrow.

      I think this play in a vacuum is definitely fine. He is going to have air so often. If he has an 8%+ range here, your backraise all-in is going to show a profit (did some calculations for 100bb, with 3bb open raises).

      Given these positions, i think we can be looking at at least 12-15% squeeze range from BB (but some people don't squeeze as much as they 3bet). Nice hand
    • dzikson999
      dzikson999
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2010 Posts: 532
      HI , mbml
      Are u new coach ? Substitute for Veritz and Kaitz ?
      Watch some off your videos and there were very helpfull.
      About hand Btn player was very tight 16/12 fold to 3 bet 85% and very low 4 bet stat so i would turn my hand into bluff with 3 bet. So i decided to flat 1010 ( usually i 3 bet that hand) and inducee mybe Sqeez from agro BB 3 betor and see first what would Btn reaction be and then make corresponding move.
      I did some calculations about this scenario and i dont belive that we can show profit against 8 % Sqeezor hm..( well depends i guess off his stack off range and specific reads. I agree that we dont need to be balanced in this spot but i like to mix things up so that Villains have hard time with guessing my range from varius positions.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello dzikson999,

      I do agree about the play till the 3bet, afterwards I don't really get why do you shove? You are capping his range so hardly that don't even allow to continue with worse. Rather make a normal 4bet and allow him to shove with worse.

      Best Regards.
    • dzikson999
      dzikson999
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.08.2010 Posts: 532
      Well i did some maths lets say that he 3 bet sqeezes 13 % for discusion.
      If his stacking rage is JJ+,AQs +,AKo i have 35,5 equity vs his 64.5
      and thats 44 hands and 13 % is around 170 hands, so he will have to fold 74.2 % and will call 25,8 %.
      So lets say that this situation occures 100 times.
      i will win:
      74.2 *cca 3.3 $ =244$
      and 25, 8 times will go to show down
      I will win:
      9,1 *23$ ( i deducted rake)=210$
      and lose
      16,6 * 25=416$ so i have 454$+ vs -416= 38$ + in long run ?!
      If his stacking off range is tighter QQ+,AKo then i am even in bigger + so i think this strategy should be profitable against 10 % + 3 bettors. I could do it with every pp but mybe than Villains would adjust, so i am thinking playing 99 ,10 10 this way and trow in some AA traps and they will have hard time to find counter play .
      If i 4 bet lets say 2.3-2.5 then he may start calling and its very difficult for me to play 10 10 oop.
      So please tell me pros and cons off this strategy and your opinion .
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      As I said already, with small 4bet you allow him to ship with worse hands. If you shove like that you get called only those hands against which you just flipping there. You wouldn't be shipping there this way with pure bluffs. ;) So your hand makes quite easy to read.