Trapping and getting value

    • DucksEatFish
      DucksEatFish
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.12.2010 Posts: 318
      I'm wondering how to get the most value out of your hands.
      I play 9man ZOOM, NL5/10.

      Often I'll be heads-up with a set, and if I have a hand I'll bet.
      Let's say it's a dry flop. If I'm IP I'll always C-bet.
      But if OP, check/raise is an option - but that looks very strong and I think I'll fold out a lot of hands.
      If check / call, you can reevaluate turn, but then checking again can be dangerous.
      Any tips on how to vary the play and make more profit? I guess it's not wrong always betting like I am now, but I think I'm folding out a lot of hands that could pay me off.
      During a 1hour session (ca 1k hands), I'm lucky to get called down once or twice for a big pot when I hit the set.

      An example, I flop zeh nuts:

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $3.67 (73.4 bb)
      SB: $5 (100 bb)
      BB: $5.30 (106 bb)
      UTG+1: $6.36 (127.2 bb)
      UTG+2: $4.89 (97.8 bb)
      MP1: $5 (100 bb)
      MP2: $2.18 (43.6 bb)
      Hero (MP3): $5.55 (111 bb)
      CO: $5.23 (104.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K K
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.45) K 4 8 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30, BB folds

      Turn: ($1.05) 5 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB folds

      Results:
      $1.05 pot ($0.04 rake)
      Final Board: K 4 8 5
      SB mucked and lost (-$0.45 net)
      Hero mucked K K and won $1.01 ($0.56 net)



      Would you play it differently?

      And these two OP:

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $11.78 (117.8 bb)
      SB: $11.07 (110.7 bb)
      Hero (BB): $11.56 (115.6 bb)
      UTG+1: $10.40 (104 bb)
      UTG+2: $5.50 (55 bb)
      MP1: $19.32 (193.2 bb)
      MP2: $23.87 (238.7 bb)
      MP3: $11.41 (114.1 bb)
      CO: $12.48 (124.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 2
      6 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.65) 2 9 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.45) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN folds

      Results:
      $3.45 pot ($0.16 rake)
      Final Board: 2 9 7 9
      BTN mucked and lost (-$1.70 net)
      Hero mucked 2 2 and won $3.29 ($1.59 net)


      I guess I could've called the turn as well and shoved the river.

      Or this one:

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $13.49 (134.9 bb)
      Hero (SB): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
      BB: $11.47 (114.7 bb)
      UTG+1: $8.55 (85.5 bb)
      UTG+2: $18.85 (188.5 bb)
      MP1: $6.50 (65 bb)
      MP2: $15.77 (157.7 bb)
      MP3: $9.98 (99.8 bb)
      CO: $14.77 (147.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 3
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.35, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.90) 3 J K (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.50, MP2 calls $0.90

      Turn: ($3.90) 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.20, MP2 folds

      Results:
      $3.90 pot ($0.18 rake)
      Final Board: 3 J K 7
      Hero mucked 3 3 and won $3.72 ($1.82 net)
      MP2 mucked and lost (-$1.90 net)


      I'll be happy to hear your thoughts :-)
  • 1 reply
    • ains21
      ains21
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.06.2011 Posts: 303
      Just a thought, and probably not what you're after, but you could try being more selective about the situations in which you choose to set-mine. Calling 33 in SB OOP vs. an MP raise isn't going to be massively profitable when you do hit, for two reasons:

      (1) His range isn't always super strong here and isn't often going to pay you off when you hit; and

      (2) Playing without initiative OOP means that often he'll check back turns and you'll be stuck between betting the river (super strong) and letting him check the river behind.

      Rather try to find spots where PP are likely to get paid off when the sets hit. IP vs. UTG raise is always a nice spot since he often has a strong range that he will want to exploit. Calling 3bs IP with small PP (esp. vs nitty 3bers of <7% 3b) will often result in a stack when you hit your set since cbet is expected, and over-pairs common. As a rule of thumb: if you don't think your set is going to get paid off because they don't show much strength pre-flop, don't set-mine.

      The best thing you can do to increase your profit with hands like sets is play in position and flat call flops and turns (as long as the turn is kind of blank) as if you had some kind of medium made hand you don't want to give up. Raising the turn (which many seem to do with sets, even on dry dry boards) really looks strong and keeps him from trying to barrel you off your weaker made hands.

      Don't know if that was helpful but there isn't really much more to it than: pick your spots; know your opponent.

      Good luck.