I want to move out of NL2.

    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      I need some advice on improving my game. My BR is just slowly going down down down. Started pretty much confident, and then after a while just went down. I hate NL2.



      If I play a hand, it is most likely if I hit the flop, or have a good flush draw etc. I lose premium hands even if I hit a set with them. It just starts to annoy me when finally get a premium hand after like 200 hand silence and being rivered by some small pocket pair or like 92s etc. Dunno how should I move out to the higher stakes if I can't build a solid bankroll.

      I was considering to book a private coaching session with some of the PS coaches, but can't really save enough money nor earn it playing poker. :f_confused:
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    • Sholja
      Sholja
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      I don't know what are you doing but on NL2 your nonshowdown line shouldn't be above showdown line. On NL2 and generaly on micros point is on value betting and definitely NOT BLUFFING.
    • Rihard4a
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      That's the thing, I don't bluff. If I miss, I fold. If I hit cbet, and they fold.
    • Sholja
      Sholja
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      You are not running that much bad, maybe you are overplaying some marginal hands that you should be pot controling once in a while, that is common leak of NL2 players. Hands like TPGK etc.
    • FlashDavin
      FlashDavin
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      How can you beat NL2?

      Tighten your range and value bet.

      Nothing fancy.
    • EnterG
      EnterG
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      Play abc at nl2.You will move forward quick.If you can open many tables and just play abc poker.
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Would you preff BSS, MSS, SSS on NL2?
    • evertonroar
      evertonroar
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      by the look of your graph, you are getting your entire stack in (and losing) alot. I think you are over valueing hands and not folding second best hands enough. Maybe you are betting to big as well? looks like when you have the best hand they fold (maybe cos of your bet size) and when you don't, you are losing entire stacks

      whats your vpip and pfr?
    • Rihard4a
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      something between 7/7 - 21/18.

      I tend to have a stable betting pattern so that my opponents that exactly know what I have. So my betting pattern is basically the same with any hand.
    • DrDunne
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      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      something between 7/7 - 21/18.

      I tend to have a stable betting pattern so that my opponents that exactly know what I have. So my betting pattern is basically the same with any hand.
      i wouldn't worry about having a stable betting pattern in order to deceive your opponents. this is balanced play and you don't really need to think about it at nl2.

      instead, as a general rule of thumb, if you are going to bet....
      on a dry board: between half pot and 2/3rds pot
      on a wet board: around 75% of pot

      read a little about showdown value, way ahead/way behind, and value betting.

      i agree with the other posters; it looks like you are overvaluing marginal hands.

      if you find yourself going broke postflop, you have to have TPTK beaten and preferably 2pair beaten too.

      it takes a while to beat nl2 if you are new. you will make lots of mistakes and the trick is to not give up but to just learn as much as possible and improve. read, read, read, watch vids and post hands.

      i also agree about the red/blue lines here - the reason why your blue line is going down is because you are losing at showdown. which means you are overvaluing weak hands and calling down too lightly. the reason why your red line is in the + is because (other than small sample) you are probably a little too aggressive in the wrong spots.

      you are playing against passive players - if they come to life all of a sudden, then they have TPTK beaten. don't level yourself, and don't stop learning

      that's my idea of how to beat nl2 :)

      p.s. i don't mean to go all zen on you but...
      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      I hate NL2.
      learn to love it, and learn to love learning. how can you possibly own your limit if you don't enjoy playing there? if you move up to nl4 you will hate it twice as much because the problems will mean you lose twice as much money. just keep working at it and something will click :)
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Thanks for the advice. :f_grin:
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Known Players:
      UTG3: $0.72 - 36 bb
      MP1: $0.35 - 18 bb
      MP2: $2.00 - 100 bb
      MP3: $0.66 - 33 bb
      CO: $2.10 - 105 bb
      BU: $2.04 - 102 bb
      SB: $2.25 - 113 bb
      BB: $2.37 - 119 bb

      0.01/0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 Handed)
      Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 1.0.50906.2

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A:spade: , A:club:
      Hero posts small blind ($0.01), BB posts big blind ($0.02), UTG3 raises for $0.06, 5 folds, Hero raises for $0.21, BB folds, UTG3 bets $0.66, Hero calls

      Flop: ($1.46 - 73 bb) J:club: , T:diamond: , 6:diamond: (2 Players)

      Turn: ($1.46 - 73 bb) 6:spade: (2 Players)

      River: ($1.46 - 73 bb) Q:diamond: (2 Players)



      UTG3 shows Q :heart: Q :club:


      God damn it! :facepalm:
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,064
      Known Players:
      UTG3: $0.60 - 30 bb
      MP1: $1.93 - 97 bb
      MP2: $2.05 - 103 bb
      MP3: $2.39 - 120 bb
      CO: $1.44 - 72 bb
      BU: $2.78 - 139 bb
      SB: $2.00 - 100 bb
      BB: $2.90 - 145 bb

      0.01/0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 Handed)
      Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 1.0.50906.2

      Preflop: Hero is BU with K:heart: , K:club:
      SB posts small blind ($0.01), BB posts big blind ($0.02), UTG3 raises for $0.07, 4 folds, Hero raises for $0.28, 2 folds, UTG3 bets $0.53, Hero calls

      Flop: ($1.23 - 61.50 bb) Q:spade: , J:club: , 4:diamond: (2 Players)

      Turn: ($1.23 - 61.50 bb) A:diamond: (2 Players)

      River: ($1.23 - 61.50 bb) 2:diamond: (2 Players)



      UTG3 shows A :heart: A :club:



      Known Players:
      UTG2: $2.06 - 103 bb
      UTG3: $3.04 - 152 bb
      MP1: $3.00 - 150 bb
      MP2: $2.03 - 102 bb
      MP3: $2.08 - 104 bb
      CO: $3.29 - 165 bb
      BU: $2.28 - 114 bb
      SB: $0.79 - 40 bb
      BB: $0.82 - 41 bb

      0.01/0.02 No Limit Hold'em (9 Handed)
      Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 1.0.50906.2

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:spade: , Q:diamond:
      SB posts small blind ($0.01), BB posts big blind ($0.02), UTG2 folds, UTG3 raises for $0.08, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.27 - 13.50 bb) Q:club: , 8:diamond: , 6:spade: (3 Players)
      UTG3 bets $0.20, MP1 folds, Hero calls

      Turn: ($0.67 - 33.50 bb) K:diamond: (2 Players)
      UTG3 bets $0.48, Hero calls

      River: ($1.63 - 81.50 bb) Q:heart: (2 Players)
      UTG3 bets $1.16, Hero bets $1.52, UTG3 calls



      UTG3 shows K :spade: Q :spade:


      overplayed?
    • DrDunne
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      first 2 hands dont even need to be posted really. they are standard - nothing to change and you would play that way again all the time.

      the AQ hand is just unlucky. maybe you can argue for just calling since it's hard to see what weaker hands will call you but really you can get called by stuff like AK i guess. also, you only have just under 25bb left at this point and i dont think it's a mistake to jam it in. you have the nut trips and he could have QJ QT even.
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      The thing is that I get these beats for the last two days constantly. The reason why I am so confused, whether I play bad or just unlucky all the time..

      Here is the today's session where I played ultra tight...

    • roopopper
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      I really struggled with nl2 for a long long time as lots of members on ps know :(

      I started to beat nl2 playing a nitty version of mss and after all the time I struggled I then found it really simple to beat :)

      Please feel free to add me to skype if you want to chat about it and I can help show you how I beat it. my skype name is [edited by DrDunne :coolface: ].

      here is my graph playing mss on nl2....I cant tell you how much it makes me smile to look at it after losing for sooooo long :f_biggrin:





      Roo :)
    • TheWinnerTakesItAll
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      AQo hand fold pre flop, because it's hard to play such hand in multi way pot.
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Added you roo! :f_love:
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      Originally posted by roopopper


      Please feel free to add me to skype if you want to chat about it and I can help show you how I beat it. my skype name is [edited by DrDunne :coolface: ].

      :coolface:
    • roopopper
      roopopper
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      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      Added you roo! :f_love:
      :f_thumbsup:
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