shove shove shove

    • kiwiboy484
      Joined: 30.09.2012 Posts: 14
      why did i just see shane "shaniac" schleger ship allin 3 times in row in a 215 buyin tourney just before the final table with hands like a-5 off a-9 off and j-9 off, im not saying hes wrong ust trying to figure out his meaning behind it ??
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    • evertonroar
      Joined: 26.06.2009 Posts: 737
      because he was playing to win, not make the final table. If he had a read that the people he was shoving into, had tightened up heaps so they make the final table, then he can push very wide. If they are folding everything except premium hands (eg tt+, AK) then he can profitably push very widely and pick up the blinds (which would have been massive by then). maybe ATC on the button against ultra tight SB and BB.
    • VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,828
      Until he runs into one of those premium hands and min-cashes.

      moved to tournaments section
    • Asaban
      Joined: 22.09.2006 Posts: 8,220
      Hi kiwiboy =)

      Most likely he was trying to seduce the bubble. Players tend to be way tighter when it comes to big bubble situations. He tried to benefit from this behaviour and therefore pushed a very wide range having a lot of fold equity. If the constellation is good he can push up to 100% of his range while the opponents won't be able to call due to ICM calculations.

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    • genNNnious
      Joined: 13.07.2010 Posts: 43
      if he was a short stack this should be a profitable play in late position.
      if he had more chips then players behind him would also be profitable becouse they need a good hand to call espcially becouse they are playing final table bubble.
      he probably have also a lot more money then other players and take adventage of this in this particullary tournament, becouse he is playing for title.