[NL2-NL10] Nl 4 6-max KK from MP

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

      CO: $9.51 (237.8 bb) 67/5/6.1/1.9 87H v/p/3/af
      BTN: $6.79 (169.8 bb)
      SB: $4.61 (115.3 bb)
      BB: $0.84 (21 bb)
      Hero (MP): $6.84 (171 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
      Hero raises to $0.12, CO raises to $0.42, 3 folds, Hero ???
      Bet sizing again.
      Villain is either v good or v lucky.
      Calls anything pre, calls down to river and either raises IP, or check/raises river OOP.
      He got lots of folds.
      Previously against this player I had taken AK into KQ and he got his Q w/ a K already on board.
      I had KK earlier and he donked an A-high flop, and I folded.
      He can fold to a flop CBet, and can fold when his donk bet is raised.
      Since he is almost never pfr, I have no CBet stats on him.

      For this reason -- and the strong hand -- I wanted to 4Bet here.
      I don't want to play this guy OOP, really, so for lack of any other ideas, I just shoved.

      What should I have bet here?



      Hero raises to $6.84 and is all-in, CO calls $6.42

      Flop: ($13.74) T 4 Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: ($13.74) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($13.74) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $13.74 pot ($0.91 rake)
      Final Board: T 4 Q J 7
      CO showed K Q and lost (-$6.84 net)
      Hero mucked K K and won $12.83 ($5.99 net)
  • 3 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello VorpalF2F,

      Rather make a solid 4bet vs such a guy than force a lot weaker hands out of the pot, we don't want that. :) Shoving is too much capping his calling range, right now just got lucky. :D

      Best Regards.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello VorpalF2F,

      Rather make a solid 4bet vs such a guy than force a lot weaker hands out of the pot, we don't want that. :) Shoving is too much capping his calling range, right now just got lucky. :D

      Best Regards.
      Yeah, but that is my problem.
      What is a "solid 4Bet"
      $2.00? 3x his 3Bet?
      1/3 my stack?

      I don't 4Bet enough to have experience here.

      Or do I go less like only $1.00 to keep him in?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello VorpalF2F,

      Rather make a solid 4bet vs such a guy than force a lot weaker hands out of the pot, we don't want that. :) Shoving is too much capping his calling range, right now just got lucky. :D

      Best Regards.
      Yeah, but that is my problem.
      What is a "solid 4Bet"
      $2.00? 3x his 3Bet?
      1/3 my stack?

      I don't 4Bet enough to have experience here.

      Or do I go less like only $1.00 to keep him in?
      Standard 4bet is 2,5x. Being deeper 3x+.