[NL2-NL10] co AK, calling down donks

    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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      Hero (CO): $5.24 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2,1, Hands: 30168
      BTN: $5.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0,7, Hands: 31
      SB: $5.33 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 6,0, Hands: 106
      BB: $10.33 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 5, 3B: 3, AF: 1,6, Hands: 91
      UTG: $1.79 - VPIP: 70, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2,1, Donk: 38; WTS: 56; Hands: 64

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A :heart: K :spade:
      UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.37) 9 :spade: 9 :club: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
      UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

      Turn: ($0.77) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
      UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

      River: ($1.17) 2 :club: (2 players)
      UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20
      Q3


      I called Flop/turn because of implied odds. He probably has a middle pair, or overcards. I dont have to protect vs overcards, but I need the A/K against mpp, because he doesnt fold. Hence the calldown.
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Imimba1,

      Preflop: Raise it bigger.
      Postflop: If you assume he is donking with wide range into you and maybe even with weaker hands then sure turn & river are fine. Though I don't really expect that often to be ahead vs 3barreling lines. Seems like just getting thin value from you. :D

      Best Regards.
    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Imimba1,

      Preflop: Raise it bigger.
      Postflop: If you assume he is donking with wide range into you and maybe even with weaker hands then sure turn & river are fine. Though I don't really expect that often to be ahead vs 3barreling lines. Seems like just getting thin value from you. :D

      Best Regards.
      Flop is easy call, right? We can reevaluate on the turn. On the turn, we get the implied odds, dont we? We need to get a 1/3 pot sized bet if we hit to make it +ev.
      River should be fold, but I'm not sure vs these people.
    • bmfbpi
      bmfbpi
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.09.2008 Posts: 590
      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Imimba1,

      Preflop: Raise it bigger.
      Postflop: If you assume he is donking with wide range into you and maybe even with weaker hands then sure turn & river are fine. Though I don't really expect that often to be ahead vs 3barreling lines. Seems like just getting thin value from you. :D

      Best Regards.
      Flop is easy call, right? We can reevaluate on the turn. On the turn, we get the implied odds, dont we? We need to get a 1/3 pot sized bet if we hit to make it +ev.
      River should be fold, but I'm not sure vs these people.
      implied odds means that if you hit your card, you will on average earn a lot more than what is in the pot(a large part of his stack or his whole stack). do you think if the A or K spikes on the river and he bets and you raises that he is going to call you with a hand he donkbets with ? (normally draw and mid/weak pairs) ?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Imimba1,

      Preflop: Raise it bigger.
      Postflop: If you assume he is donking with wide range into you and maybe even with weaker hands then sure turn & river are fine. Though I don't really expect that often to be ahead vs 3barreling lines. Seems like just getting thin value from you. :D

      Best Regards.
      Flop is easy call, right? We can reevaluate on the turn. On the turn, we get the implied odds, dont we? We need to get a 1/3 pot sized bet if we hit to make it +ev.
      River should be fold, but I'm not sure vs these people.
      Why would it be easy Call? Depends a lot on the opponent and what we expect him to be donking. Seems like you don't understand what's the purpose of implied odds, for example you have 6 outs in that case which we obviously even can't always count as outs = reversed implied odds. Though lets assume we count 6 clean outs:
      You need ~83 cents on the turn to make it profitable to Call. :) So which you wont really very likely get paid. :P Nor of course even if he has lower PPs mainly then those don't pay you.