bb/100 by position

    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      Small sample size, only about 20k hands from October only.
      It is stunning to me how little money I have won from the later positions (CO/BTN). Maybe I am folding to 3bets from the blinds too much.

      What is the best way to find out what my possible issues are from these positions? I have attempted to use the filter settings in HEM2 but have not had much luck yet....


      :diamond: BB: -26.12bb/100 – 17.5/9.6/8.6. 22.5 WTSD. 2.26 AGG

      :diamond: SB: -4.48bb/100 – 20.7/18.2/6.0. 20.5 WTSD. 3.79 AGG

      :diamond: BTN: 4.52bb/100 – 32.6/30.1/6.2. 21.2 WTSD. 3.55 AGG

      :diamond: CO: 4.18bb/100 – 23.8/22.8/3.7. 21.4 WTSD. 3.47 AGG

      :diamond: MP: 35.18bb/100 – 18.7/18.1/3.8. 23.7 WTSD. 3.41 AGG

      :diamond: UTG: 23.12bb/100 – 16.2/16.2/0. 21.3 WTSD. 5.05 AGG
  • 11 replies
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Idk what your doing checking winrates by position on a 20k hand sample size. You can look at your overall winrate on this sample let alone position winrates. Looking at your winrates your pretty much the best player on the planet when looking at sb/mp/utg but the biggest fish on Co&BU.

      I mean seriously you have like 3k hands on each position on that sample so if you'd won 1 stack instead of lost it it would make all the difference.
    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      i realize it isnt a large sample size at all. i was simply looking for alternative avenues to improve my game.
      how many hands should i have before i can reasonably consider sorting by position?
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      At least 20k by position, the more the better, 50K should be a solid sample size(you need about 300k hands for that). Variance can have your results off quite a bit even on larger sample sizes.

      All your other stats seem solid so its just variance. You should be folding anything from 50-60% to 3bets. If its higher or lower then its probably a leak.
    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
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      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      my fold to 3bet is certainly a major leak of mine.
      through 20k hands it is around 79%.
      im not really sure how to go about correcting this.

      im thinking maybe flat more 3bets with my premium hands, but other than that i am not really sure ?(
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      It doesnt matter if you start flating instead of 4betting it won't change your overall fold to 3bet. Its just a different way of defending against a 3bet, your still folding the same range and80% is just way way way to high.

      If i have you on my right im 3betting 60-70% against you and so is everyone else who has a hud. Its just +EV to 3bet you with any2 cards since you fold so much preflop.

      You simply have to defend more hands. If you open 30% of hands on the BU then you have to defend around 13-15% of them. Go play with equilab and check you ranges by position, and what type of range you should be defending each position(obviously it also depends on villains 3bet% but against you i doubt anyone's 3betting less then 15%) so you really have to start defending a wider range.

      The more you fold the more ppl will 3bet you making your leak so much bigger, especially since fold 2 3bet leak is so easy to notice and exploit.
    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
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      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      i see now that flatting more big hands wont change my fold to 3b. i tend to exploit players a ton that have the same leak as me.
      it might be worth mentioning that i am playing zoom, which tends to be fairly tight when it comes to 3betting. should that change my defending range?
    • ProfitsofDoom
      ProfitsofDoom
      Basic
      Joined: 29.08.2012 Posts: 177
      I was just running some filters in HM2 and Leakbuster the past few days. and the amount i'm losing from the blinds seemed kind of alarming.

      i'm losing -45 bb/100 in the BB, and - 33 bb/100 in the SB. I'm not sure what an optimal win/loss rate would be there, but mine seems kind of high.

      Leakbuster gives advice on actions from each position, but i don't see anything that says i am losing too much, etc.

      what are you guys getting from BB/SB?
    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      if you didn't play a hand, your winrate in bb would be -100bb per hundred, and in sb -50bb per hundred (assuming sb is half of bb).
      therefore i would say you are doing well in those particular positions
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Well the tighter they 3bet the more you can setmine, but yes, overall you fold way more vs tight 3bets, mainly because they're not abusing your high folding frequency.

      What you have to take into account tho is that the more you fold the more they are going to 3bet vs you. So even if his overall 3bet is 5% his likely 3betting 15-20% against you since you fold that much.
      I can tell you right now that if your folding 80% i will 3bet you with anything i can't call and probably be really imbalanced and even flat QQ+AK against you. So my range vs such high fold to 3bet can easily be 95% bluffs until you start adapting.

      And losing from the blinds -45 and -33 is really bad and he is definitely not doing well in this spot. It should be around -20 in sb and -30 in BB.
    • yougotfelted51
      yougotfelted51
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      Joined: 04.02.2010 Posts: 1,276
      i didnt realize that those numbers were poor. what would optimal/solid players bb/100 be by position over a large sample
    • ProfitsofDoom
      ProfitsofDoom
      Basic
      Joined: 29.08.2012 Posts: 177
      Thanks guys. gonna be trying to tighten it up from the blinds, and see how things go. Will come back and post some numbers and see if i have improved at all.