[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - 10

  • 7 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      delay turn bet is the best play
    • double2
      double2
      Coach
      Coach
      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      Originally posted by mbml
      delay turn bet is the best play
      Why? Can you ellaborate?

      I would say that I don't like that ISO raise, too trashy of a hand. I also would say that if not to cbet that flop, why iso raise in the first place?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Preflop: Fold it preflop, what were you even thinking of raising such hands? :P

      As played
      Postflop: Not much to comment. Though I'd ask how you planning to earn profit with your hand? :)

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Preflop: Fold it preflop, what were you even thinking of raising such hands? :P

      As played
      Postflop: Not much to comment. Though I'd ask how you planning to earn profit with your hand? :)

      Best Regards.
      Don't really know. It just feels like isolating fish with a lot of hands (playable hands - mostsly suited hands) whilst having position = +++EV. But yes indeed vs his stacksize I agree this is too marginal.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Preflop: Fold it preflop, what were you even thinking of raising such hands? :P

      As played
      Postflop: Not much to comment. Though I'd ask how you planning to earn profit with your hand? :)

      Best Regards.
      Don't really know. It just feels like isolating fish with a lot of hands (playable hands - mostsly suited hands) whilst having position = +++EV. But yes indeed vs his stacksize I agree this is too marginal.
      Go to your tracker and set up filters for raising a limper and get your answer how profitable you are doing there. So far have seen the hands you use for isolating, I'd somehow assume it's not doing that good.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      Preflop: Fold it preflop, what were you even thinking of raising such hands?


      Not doable even vs a fullstacked fish?

      If he is a calling station we gain profit from postflop value bets with our pairs and stronger hands – if he is extremely loose postflop, we can even overbet our very strong hands.

      And if he is folding a lot postflop then we can just easily take the pot down postflop.

      The hand still has some playability.

      Though we do get in a lot of marginal "to cBet or not to" situations on the flop since sometimes we won't always be able to clearly and validly classify our opponent as either a CS or a postflop nit because our sample is often too small vs fish + we might talk ourselves into cBetting marginal flops with marginal backdoors.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Avatars91
      Preflop: Fold it preflop, what were you even thinking of raising such hands?


      Not doable even vs a fullstacked fish?

      If he is a calling station we gain profit from postflop value bets with our pairs and stronger hands – if he is extremely loose postflop, we can even overbet our very strong hands.

      And if he is folding a lot postflop then we can just easily take the pot down postflop.

      The hand still has some playability.

      Though we do get in a lot of marginal "to cBet or not to" situations on the flop since sometimes we won't always be able to clearly and validly classify our opponent as either a CS or a postflop nit because our sample is often too small vs fish + we might talk ourselves into cBetting marginal flops with marginal backdoors.
      We clearly ain't against full stack, ain't we? You are very likely facing at least a Call from 1 guy whilst also having loose players behind you who may join the pot, so clearly the hand isn't that good to go for iso-raise whilst you ain't raising for value nor you can't make them fold postflop. Plus of course just get called from hands which dominate you.