I Am God's Gift to Poker [Zooming Fish at the Micros 6max] Moving up to NL5!

    • cheekopeh
      cheekopeh
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      Hell yeah I am.



      Because I contribute my money to the Poker community that is. :f_cry:

      This is shameless "advertising" to bring readership to this blog of mine. I had a first one which never really worked out. I've never spent lots of time on Poker but I enjoy playing it and pawning souls OH YEAH~ (sarcasm).

      I'm a 4.88bb winner on NL2 Zoom in 40k hands. However, getting pawned at NL5 has pissed me off a lot. Lots of coolers, sets over sets blah blah you know it. Many talk about it in our very own forums. But what pricks at my skin the most is I go on and tilt 2-3 BI after all these "coolers".

      I'm an introvert by nature and usually only post some hands on the evaluation board for advice when I needed. Starting this blog, I hope to work hard at my poker game and to start interacting more with other players (especially those who have beaten my limit) who can help one another move up their respective limits.

      For a start, I shall accept the fact that I'm a NL5 Zoom loser who is God's gift to Poker by contributing my moneyzzz to the community.

      Who knows, maybe one day Poker can be God's gift to me? Lolz. Unlikely, but possible.

      [Moved down to NL2 to improve on my game]
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    • cheekopeh
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      For a start, these are my NL5 Zoom 6max Stats. Not sure how I can upload a pic of the table of my stats from HM2? Can't seem to find an option for it.

      VPIP: 17.4
      PFR: 14.6
      3Bet: 5.1
      WTSD%: 24.1
      W$SD%: 48.0
      AGG: 4.02
      AGG%: 39.4
      EVbb/100: -1.18

      For the most part, stats are the same as NL2, the difference is I've KKs into AAs, set over set. And also players 3bet a lot more at NL5 than on NL2. All these cause me to go on aggro tilt and spew.

      Am trying to play a little looser like 21/18. Never heard of a nit who spewed. But seems like I've found him in myself. :f_biggrin:
    • cheekopeh
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      Had a FML day at work today. Kinda sucks to be working FOR someone other than yourself. Getting squashed in the trains isn't something I look forward to particularly every morning.

      Have been playing 2 tables on Zoom to concentrate and make the best decisions possible. Evidently, I still make mistakes here and there so there's much room for improvement.

      300 hands session today which went fairly well. Made some good value bets but "spewed" off some chipzz when the session was running down.

      Realized this probably is a leak whenever I'm 5-10 mins away from closing my session I'll play extremely tight to protect my winnings or extremely loose to get even.

      Will post a hand later on which troubled me.
    • cheekopeh
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      Posted this hand on the evaluations forum and thought I played it bad. One of the last hands of my session.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $3.28 (65.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): $6.58 (131.6 bb)
      BB: $3.50 (70 bb)
      UTG: $5.29 (105.8 bb)
      MP: $5.05 (101 bb)
      CO: $7.80 (156 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.35) 8 8 J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

      Turn: ($0.85) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

      River: ($1.57) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero folds

      Results:
      $2.57 pot ($0.11 rake)
      Final Board: 8 8 J 6 J
      BTN mucked and won $2.46 ($1.20 net)
      Hero mucked 9 9 and lost (-$1.26 net)


      PF: Might 3bet but he has only 62.5bb so did not want to inflate the pot.
      Flop: x/c because he has a wide range of hands he can bet with and that I'm still ahead of. Any spade or straight draw.
      Turn: Does not complete draws thus I have reason to believe I am still ahead of most of his range.
      River: Jh is quite a good card for me as his chances of having a Jx is lower. I didn't know what to do at this point. Maybe should have x/c a River bet from him.

      I blocked bet because I wanted to go to SD cheap, but as played, now I feel if I bet I should have called his raise as I only need 25% to call?
    • cheekopeh
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      Past few days have been fun but tiring :D

      Had a short road trip today where I had to drive a 80km trip to organize a golf game. Ended up lost and driving 350km before reaching late. Bum hurts like crap.

      Poker-wise, have been too tired to play. So dropped down to NL2 to just play a few hands.

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $2.45 (122.5 bb)
      Hero (SB): $2.11 (105.5 bb)
      BB: $0.79 (39.5 bb)
      UTG: $3.71 (185.5 bb)
      MP: $1.37 (68.5 bb)
      CO: $1.85 (92.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN calls $0.02, Hero completes, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.08) J 6 K (4 players)
      Hero bets $0.06, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.06

      Turn: ($0.20) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.11, BTN raises to $0.26, Hero calls $0.15

      River: ($0.72) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.36, Hero folds

      Results:
      $0.72 pot ($0.03 rake)
      Final Board: J 6 K J 6
      BTN mucked and won $0.69 ($0.35 net)
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$0.34 net)


      This was the hand that was played that caused me to think about how I played it.

      Anyone has any advice on how to play it better?

      Also looking for some sweat partners to help improve my game~~~
    • mbml
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      glgl

      play live anywhere?
    • MrMardyBum
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      I will run some sweat sessions with you... And from the look of your stats I can already see that you are playing a bit tight for SH, which is probably why you are overplaying hands when you do enter pots.

      I am happy to help where I can - Not saying I am anything great but my stats do fall within the standard and I am beating SH over 25k hands at the moment (NL2, NL4 & NL10). Just watching or having someone watch you can help a lot though if you describe thought processes as you play.

      Anyway, look me up on Skype or message me here (Skype is preferable - Username - MrMardyBum).
    • MasochisticDesire
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      Hi cheekopeh,

      I dont play zoom myself but from my limited experience I would think it worth while building the foundations of your game playing standard SH tables. At least until you have a solid grasp of position, pre and post play, familiar wih 3betting dynamics etc.
      Then make the necessary adjustments to play Zoom.

      Your shout obv.

      As posted by cheekopeh:
      BTN: $3.28 (65.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): $6.58 (131.6 bb)
      BB: $3.50 (70 bb)
      UTG: $5.29 (105.8 bb)
      MP: $5.05 (101 bb)
      CO: $7.80 (156 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.35) 8 8 J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

      Turn: ($0.85) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

      River: ($1.57) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero folds

      I think the mistake you have made in this hand is that you never once ask questions of your opponent. IMO you have to take the initiative at some point in order to gather more information.

      The problem with the c/c, c/c line is that you gather little to no info.

      'What does villain bet the flop with?'
      - Air, draws and made hands. A very wide range.

      'After Hero takes a passive line on the flop, what does Villain bet the Turn with?'
      - Air, draws and made hands. You still haven't gathered any additional information.
      - your passive line also turns your hand pretty much face up.

      Having gathered no information, it then leads you to a meh desiscion on the River. Why are you placing such a weak bet on the River?
      You cant 'blocker' bet here without a plan as he has a 'polorised' range (a range made of only weak and strong hands but nothing in the middle.)

      If you had c/r a previous street and played a little more aggressively you might have been able to narrow down villains range according to his responce and play the River accordingly.
      eg - check and let him bluff the missed draw or bet to induce.

      You gain most information by seizing the initiative and considering opponents responce.

      Just my 5cents,
      Hope this is of use.

      MD
    • MasochisticDesire
      MasochisticDesire
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      Originally posted by cheekopeh
      Past few days have been fun but tiring :D

      Had a short road trip today where I had to drive a 80km trip to organize a golf game. Ended up lost and driving 350km before reaching late. Bum hurts like crap.

      Poker-wise, have been too tired to play. So dropped down to NL2 to just play a few hands.

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $2.45 (122.5 bb)
      Hero (SB): $2.11 (105.5 bb)
      BB: $0.79 (39.5 bb)
      UTG: $3.71 (185.5 bb)
      MP: $1.37 (68.5 bb)
      CO: $1.85 (92.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN calls $0.02, Hero completes, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.08) J 6 K (4 players)
      Hero bets $0.06, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.06

      Turn: ($0.20) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.11, BTN raises to $0.26, Hero calls $0.15

      River: ($0.72) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.36, Hero folds

      Results:
      $0.72 pot ($0.03 rake)
      Final Board: J 6 K J 6
      BTN mucked and won $0.69 ($0.35 net)
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$0.34 net)


      This was the hand that was played that caused me to think about how I played it.

      Anyone has any advice on how to play it better?

      Also looking for some sweat partners to help improve my game~~~

      Make a more assertive decision preflop.
      Even OOP if there are 1+ limpers before me I am going to isolate any hand that is TPGK heavy. KQo definately qualifies.

      Problem with completing pre is that your hand is very transparent when you donk lead the flop.
    • cheekopeh
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      Gonna play for abit after the Sunderland v Newcastle match. I'm a Toon fan. Come on Toon Army!
    • cheekopeh
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      Originally posted by mbml
      glgl

      play live anywhere?
      Hi Galvin,

      Nope don't play live. No friends that I know of play poker and as you know in Singapore, the casinos are a blood sucker before you even play on their tables.

      Nice blog btw, gl with plo! smile
    • cheekopeh
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      Originally posted by MrMardyBum
      I will run some sweat sessions with you... And from the look of your stats I can already see that you are playing a bit tight for SH, which is probably why you are overplaying hands when you do enter pots.

      I am happy to help where I can - Not saying I am anything great but my stats do fall within the standard and I am beating SH over 25k hands at the moment (NL2, NL4 & NL10). Just watching or having someone watch you can help a lot though if you describe thought processes as you play.

      Anyway, look me up on Skype or message me here (Skype is preferable - Username - MrMardyBum).
      Hi MrMardyBum.

      Sent request on both platforms. Would love to run a sweat, but I believe our time zones are far apart. Hopefully we can work out a time :)
    • cheekopeh
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      Originally posted by MasochisticDesire
      Hi cheekopeh,

      I dont play zoom myself but from my limited experience I would think it worth while building the foundations of your game playing standard SH tables. At least until you have a solid grasp of position, pre and post play, familiar wih 3betting dynamics etc.
      Then make the necessary adjustments to play Zoom.

      Your shout obv.

      As posted by cheekopeh:
      BTN: $3.28 (65.6 bb)
      Hero (SB): $6.58 (131.6 bb)
      BB: $3.50 (70 bb)
      UTG: $5.29 (105.8 bb)
      MP: $5.05 (101 bb)
      CO: $7.80 (156 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.35) 8 8 J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

      Turn: ($0.85) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

      River: ($1.57) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero folds

      I think the mistake you have made in this hand is that you never once ask questions of your opponent. IMO you have to take the initiative at some point in order to gather more information.

      The problem with the c/c, c/c line is that you gather little to no info.

      'What does villain bet the flop with?'
      - Air, draws and made hands. A very wide range.

      'After Hero takes a passive line on the flop, what does Villain bet the Turn with?'
      - Air, draws and made hands. You still haven't gathered any additional information.
      - your passive line also turns your hand pretty much face up.

      Having gathered no information, it then leads you to a meh desiscion on the River. Why are you placing such a weak bet on the River?
      You cant 'blocker' bet here without a plan as he has a 'polorised' range (a range made of only weak and strong hands but nothing in the middle.)

      If you had c/r a previous street and played a little more aggressively you might have been able to narrow down villains range according to his responce and play the River accordingly.
      eg - check and let him bluff the missed draw or bet to induce.

      You gain most information by seizing the initiative and considering opponents responce.

      Just my 5cents,
      Hope this is of use.

      MD
      Thanks MasochisticDesire for your very comprehensive post about the hand! I understood everything you wanted to say and completely agree with taking the initiative and being aggro.

      I have about an hour for poker every night when I reach home from work and I try to use around 15-20mins for a session review and the rest for playing. Zoom is the best in terms for putting volume in for me. But if things keep looking down for me as it has been, I'll definitely move to the standard table in the hope of improving my game and fixing those leaks. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm very open to it as well!
    • gigenieks
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      Subscribed.

      Hi, how you doing lately? :s_cool:
    • cheekopeh
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      Originally posted by gigenieks
      Subscribed.

      Hi, how you doing lately? :s_cool:
      Hi gigeneieks, thanks!

      I'm doing badly, in life generally. Bad working experience in my first job. Difficult to adjust from a student life to a working life.

      Poker-wise, getting crushed by NL5 for another 6BI in 2 sessions of 1.5k hands in total :D
    • cheekopeh
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      So I'm sitting in my office, unmotivated to work at all due to an argument with my Boss yesterday. Screw him~ :s_biggrin:

      Soul pawned by 6BI in 1.5k hands over 2 days. I must be doing something seriously wrong on NL5. Just hope I would know what is it. I think I should go through the Beginner's Course and revisit my fundamentals again so I at least have an idea what I'm doing.

      But I still wanna get some volume going, and at the same time keep my bankroll stable. So probably gonna add in a mixture of FR Zoom to play tighter.

      Today's session goals
      1) Selective about hands preflop - play value hands that have high card value, fold more speculative hands
      2) Thin value betting - at least I manage to find my own leak, river agg is too low and I miss out on good value more often than not.
      3) Stop bluffing and stop thinking they are bluffing - in short, stop self-pawning myself.

      Imminent drop down to NL2 if my fantastic losing rate continues :D
    • gigenieks
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      It sucks to be a losing player. :/

      I think you are too harsh on yourself, so first I will give my perspective on how you doing and then add some, IMO, good suggestions. :s_wink:

      Graph:
      Green line doesn't mean a shit, instead you should focus on your orange line (because sooner or later the green line will climb up to the orange one).

      You "should" have lost only -20$ instead you lost about -70$. So what does it mean? That's right - luck wasn't standing by your side. You got unlucky. :s_biggrin:
      You're still a losing player, but not so much as you might think.


      Now some suggestions:

      :diamond: So you're 2-tabling Zoom and playing NL5, right? I think it's better to avoid Zoom now and play NL2. By the way, you haven't mentioned your bankroll?

      :heart: SH (6max) and hand range: VPIP 17, PFR 15 is definitely not wide enough for 6max. (those numbers would be fine if you played full ring)
      I haven't played much 6max, just because in Party Poker in NL2 there is no 6max available.
      But I have Harringtons book specifically about online 6max and he suggests these hands if your style is tight:

      UTG (10% of all hands)
      Open raise with all pairs AA-22
      AK, AQ, and AJ, suited or unsuited
      KQ suited

      MP (13%)
      AA-22
      AK, AQ, AJ, ATs/u
      KQ, KJs/u

      CO (18%)
      AA-22
      AK to A6s
      KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JTs
      AK to A9o
      KQ, KJ, QJo
      T9, 98s

      BTN (25%)
      AA-22
      AK to A2s
      KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JTs
      AK to A6o
      KQ, KJ, QJ, KT, QT, JTo
      T9 to 65s


      Btw about that graph I accidently found this quote in harringtons book:
      If you're a skilled player at a given level, you should probably show about the same level of profit playing full ring as playing 6-max. (But your results will show a higher level of variance at 6-max than at full ring because the wider hand ranges will result in more all-in showdowns.)

      So it's possible if you widen your hand range at beginning you could "lose", maybe, a bit more. Especially if luck is still ignoring you :s_biggrin:


      :club: I feel like one should address disciple as well mental aspects of poker. These things, which I will say, I have experienced myself as well read about them etc --->

      1) You have to be patient! Very, very patient! And you have to use some kind of BRM (bankroll managment). It's absolute basic thing. I have no idea how much money you have now. But for example I will only play NL4 after I have met 2 criteria:
      a) Have $80 (That is 20 Buy Ins)
      b) I'm a winning player on previous stake - in this case NL2. (graphs, bb/100 etc)


      So we come next thing:

      2) When you look at your graphs - what matters is orange line (not actuall profit or loss). And judge your winnings in big blinds not in $. Because one could easily feel kinda dissappointed if he played 8 or more hours and won "only" 2 dollars. Count your winning in big blinds and 2$ is 100bb. If you played NL100 that would be $100.
      In other words, if you won "only" 1$ playing all day - you are actually doing a good job.

      3) Tilting. Be prepared for this, because poker gods will sometimes test you, test your patience etc. That's what happening now:
      However, getting pwned at NL5 has pissed me off a lot. Lots of coolers, sets over sets etc... But then I go on and tilt 2-3 BI after all these "coolers".

      You need to keep your calm (this in itself is quite a skill in poker) no matter what happens. Play your best.


      I will say this in another way:
      If you're not expecting big winnings like $10 etc (hell, even breakeven is more than fine with you), if you calculate your profit in big blinds not in cash, and if you don't pay so much attention to green line but focus on the orange one - you will play much better. Also you'll more at ease and poker will be more fun. :s_thumbsup:

      What's the hurry? Really, what is the hurry?

      So you said:
      "Starting this blog, I hope to work hard at my poker game..."

      It would be wonderfull if you post your session graphs + 2-3 hands in which you lost most of your money with your comments, observations and so on.

      Keep us dated and I hope something above will improve your play (or at least motivate you to keep going on), because this took like an hour or more to write. :s_biggrin:
    • Rihard4a
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      Reply to previous post. I think that opening range for sh is too tight, should more like utg 11% mp 14% co 20% and bu 50% and ~45% for sb.
    • mbml
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      i think what rihard suggested (a solid and tight strategy which is around 20 VPIP) seems really reasonable for a beginner. Gigenieks' suggestion seems really nitty and while you shouldn't be playing like 30 VPIP, I think 20 is very easily manageable.

      You should then fix your Flop/Turn/Barreling Frequencies which seem like a really huge leak most of the time for lower level players. Maybe you want to check those stats and post them here.

      I would suggest
      Flop (60-70)
      Turn (40-50)
      River (40-50)

      My guess is that you have something like
      Flop (90)
      Turn (20-30)
      River (20-30)

      That would mean that you are not only burning money by not trying to force villain to fold hands weaker than top pair, you are also making yourself highly exploitable cos of this huge imbalance in your ranges. For example against the playertype mentioned above, I would just float his flop bets all day and then bluff the Turn). Whereas against the more balanced guy above, I would have a harder time exploiting him.
    • gigenieks
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      Originally posted by mbml
      Gigenieks' suggestion seems really nitty...
      gigenieks'?
      No, I just quoted Harrington from his book. That is his hand range suggestion for 6-max tight players.