[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - 2x vs fish

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      3 hands on the guy? he played 3 of them

      clearly a fish. how to play?

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1944719
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      Hero (BTN): $25.00
      SB: $23.89
      BB: $58.05
      CO: $10.00

      CO posts a big blind ($0.25)

      Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is BTN with 4 :club: 6 :club:
      CO checks, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, 2 folds

      Flop: ($2.50) 8 :club: 5 :heart: 7 :heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.79, SB calls $1.79

      Turn: ($6.08) T :diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $4.35, SB calls $4.35

      River: ($14.78) 8 :heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $7.20, SB raises to $16.75 all in, Hero folds




      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1944720
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      Hero (MP): $25.00
      CO: $37.48
      BTN: $58.30
      SB: $19.75
      BB: $35.70
      UTG: $9.75

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 7 :heart: 7 :diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

      Flop: ($2.50) 8 :heart: 5 :diamond: 6 :spade: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.62, CO calls $1.62, SB folds

      Turn: ($5.74) A :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.28, CO raises to $14.75, Hero folds
  • 8 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      seems ok to me
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,858
      1st hand hate river, but hate even more to check value hands vs fish so ok
      2nd hand don't really rate your 2nd barrel foldequity too highly even though scare card hits, i know we have oesd but meh... guess i'd play the same way anyway
    • double2
      double2
      Coach
      Coach
      Joined: 04.11.2008 Posts: 14,642
      I really don't like the value bet river in first hand. Maybe I'm wrong and we are suppose to value bet and get called by 8x.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Don't really like the isolation raise size vs a smaller stack + fish, vs a huge fish it's even close either to isolate in first place. Cause what you going to hit with such a hand? Even if you hit your pair you never know how good you do and most often having overcards on board. Nor have fold equity, so from where does the profit come from?

      But otherwise as played pretty standard, not much to comment.

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      1) What about betting the flop and turn bigger vs the fish in order to have a PS bet left on the river in order for us the get his whole stack on appropriate boards?
      2) If flop + turn is bet bigger and we have a ~PS bet left, how do we play on this kind of a river? Do we still blockbet very very small vs Tx, 8x, and overpairs and fold to a raise?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      1) What about betting the flop and turn bigger vs the fish in order to have a PS bet left on the river in order for us the get his whole stack on appropriate boards?

      Depends about which hand you talking about. :) But clearly with the nuts we could consider doing that.

      2) If flop + turn is bet bigger and we have a ~PS bet left, how do we play on this kind of a river? Do we still blockbet very very small vs Tx, 8x, and overpairs and fold to a raise?

      Yes, cause clearly nothing worse is willing to pay you that easily anyways if you are even against loose player.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      1) So, let's say that we bet using such bet-sizing that on the river villain has got ~14.5$ behind and the pot is ~18.4$. Is there room for any blockbetting?

      E.g., bet/fold 4.5$?

      2)
      Don't really like the isolation raise size vs a smaller stack + fish


      Would a 4x openraise be more appropriate vs villain's stack, had he openlimped instead of posting a dead BB + if our hand was a bit stronger, e.g. 87s?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      1) So, let's say that we bet using such bet-sizing that on the river villain has got ~14.5$ behind and the pot is ~18.4$. Is there room for any blockbetting?

      Then we might even skip the thin value-bet. :) Cause clearly FD got there, FH got there, not that many worse pay you.

      Would a 4x openraise be more appropriate vs villain's stack, had he openlimped instead of posting a dead BB + if our hand was a bit stronger, e.g. 87s?

      Either it's dead-blind or not I doubt that it has huge affect into this guys limping range. Has most likely a wider range anyways. Our hand is just crap to isolate cause clearly can't even hit that much and never know where you stand once you hit nor if you have fold equity postflop.