[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL50 98s

    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,317
      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      Hero (UTG): $50 (100 bb)
      MP: $58.52 (117 bb)
      CO: $45.13 (90.3 bb)
      BTN: $65.22 (130.4 bb)
      SB: $30.30 (60.6 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9 8
      Hero raises to $1.50, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

      Flop: ($3.75) 7 6 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, CO calls $2.50

      Turn: ($8.75) K (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.50, CO calls $6.50

      River: ($21.75) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $14.35, Hero folds


      Anon table.

      CO was unknown, but due to stacksize possibly fish.
      River? Check was kind of a missclick, I really considered blockbet/folding.
      If checked, than ch/fold?
  • 11 replies
    • livethelife7
      livethelife7
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      How big would you make your blockbet?

      I think if you ch the river it's a ch/f.
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,317
      Originally posted by livethelife7
      How big would you make your blockbet?
      ~7-8$
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      I'm folding 89s with fish in position of us pre.

      $3 flop; turnsize good

      I'm betting the river about $10. He maybe calls 99 or 78 dunno. Maybe he floated even Kx
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello pcfmcc02,

      Preflop: Fold those hands preflop.

      As played
      Postflop: Bet the flop bigger, Bet the turn bigger. River is either a block-bet to get thin value or just Check/Fold as you did, that depends against which opponent we were.

      Best Regards.
    • dzikson999
      dzikson999
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      Why not ch/r flop this board hit his percived calling range hard and it misses i guess your Utg open raise range so u can expect lot off bets from villain and if he calls shove turn !?
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      Originally posted by dzikson999
      Why not ch/r flop
      Because he is a possible fish, I know nothing about him and his tendencies, and a checkbehind would be terrible.
    • dzikson999
      dzikson999
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      I dont think that he will ch behind often.
      U can devide his holdings in 3 categoties
      1. pairs& sets he will bet to protect most likely
      2.draws&combodraws -I think at least 75% off Villains would bet
      3.Air&over cards -when u ch he will try to stab very often
      So u will get oportunity to ch/r very often.
      And if he does ch/behind it isnt end off the world couse on this turn(and many others) u can still go for ch/r turn and he will be in dire straits.
      And if some bad card hits turn u can call once and reevaluate river.
      And what is your ch/r range if u dont do it in spots like this??
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      Originally posted by dzikson999
      And what is your ch/r range if u dont do it in spots like this??
      Is it bad not having one? :)
    • dzikson999
      dzikson999
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      I guess lot off different styles could be profitable esspecialy on lower limits but i like to inplement all moves in my game (over bets ,ch/river ,donk bets etc..) so it depends i see that Veritz also recomends straith forward play without mix things up and mybe u guys are more profitable than me but i have no intention to stop on nl 50. So at least i think u eventualy will need ch/r range on higher limits and why not try and master this moves alredy here ?
    • livethelife7
      livethelife7
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      Keep it simple. You don't know anything about villian only that he is prob. A fish becuase of histack size. You don't know his postflop tendencies, what he is checking behind.
      So there is no reason to have a ch/r range here?.

      I think you have to bet here like 100 % of the time for value. He ch behind would be terrible because you loose a lot of value and have to protect your hand.

      I would start thinking about a ch/r range if I know that his postflop tendencies would be that he bets 100 %. Of the time here. And even then, I think betting is still better.

      Ch/r here against an unknown is just terrible imo.
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
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      No offense, I see your point.
      Partly agree with it, but on NL50 few regs could even notice if you mix your play, not to mention fish, as was the case in this hand.
      Plus these are anonim tables, so even if he is willing to note my moves (not likely from a fish), he cant do it.
      But I do agree, that if someone wants to move up higher (me too), than have to be aware such necessary things as balancing. But this is not really the time and place for it.