[NL20-NL50] NL25 JJ 4bet pot

    • jozata
      jozata
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.07.2008 Posts: 646
      PKR, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      MP: $2.18 (8.7 bb)
      Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
      BTN: $26.33 (105.3 bb)
      SB: $40.86 (163.4 bb)
      BB: $26.27 (105.1 bb)
      UTG: $71.47 (285.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
      UTG calls $0.25, MP folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8.75, SB calls $5.25

      Flop: ($18) 5 8 A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($18) 4 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($18) 9 (2 players)
      SB bets $9, Hero calls $9

      Villain recently joined 2 of my tables and was betting and raising a lot.
      BB is a loose-passive fish.
      Villain probably thinks that I am isolating the fish light. I 4bet my hand for value and am willing to go broke with it preflop.
      The Axx flop kind of suck as I guess he could have plenty of Ax in his range.
      Is there value in betting/shoving the flop?
      The turn bricks but I still dont see much value in betting/shoving. Maybe 99/TT could call but that's pretty much it.
      His betsizing on the river inclines me to think that he is going for value rather than bluffing. Maybe QQ,KK,TT,99. Less likely are 55,88,44,76s.
      On the other hand, he could be bluffing with KQ, trying to represent a value bet. This however is a remote possibility.
      He is probably shoving AK preflop. Same for AQ but not sure. AQ,AJ he is probably shoving on turn.
      So I need 25% equity.

      Board: Ah8d5c4s9s
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 26.32% 26.32% 0.00% { JJ }
      MP3 73.68% 73.68% 0.00% { KK-QQ, TT-88, 55-44, KQs, 76s }

      Without a bluffing hand such as KQs in his range it's bad.

      Board: Ad8c5s4h9h
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 17.65% 17.65% 0.00% { JJ }
      MP3 82.35% 82.35% 0.00% { KK-QQ, TT-88, 55-44, 76s }
  • 4 replies
    • livethelife7
      livethelife7
      Gold
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,093
      Originally posted by jozata
      Is there value in betting/shoving the flop?
      No, he will only call with better hands.

      I think I fold, because I would expect from him to cbet all his bluffs on this board.
    • jozata
      jozata
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.07.2008 Posts: 646
      Wait. I am the preflop aggressor as I am the one who 4bet. So he is not cbetting here anyway
    • livethelife7
      livethelife7
      Gold
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,093
      oops my mistake. ;)


      I think I still fold because there are not much bluffs here in his range, and you really don't beat much (probably even with QQ-KK would check the river, so I see him often value bet Ax here).
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello jozata,

      As you say yourself he is a passive-fish then I'd be more inclined to just fold the hand on the river than hero-call. There are enough of Ax hands in his range which call preflop and meanwhile not that many PPs which turn their hand into bluff.

      Best Regards.