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[NL2-NL10] Nl10-J7o

    • Backcushion
      Joined: 29.12.2007 Posts: 816
      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

      UTG+1 ($16.75)
      MP1 ($14.05)
      MP2 ($2.30)
      CO ($6)
      Button ($20.70)
      SB ($10.15)
      Hero ($1.85)
      UTG ($9.55)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 7.
      1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0.50) 8, 5, 6 (4 players)
      Hero bets $0.3, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30, CO raises to $1, Hero ?
  • 4 replies
    • DeKuip
      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,995
      This is an freeplay situation and you're holding an OESD, I'm not completely sure why you're betting here.

      You can only play monsterdraws like a made hand. A monsterdraw is 12+ outs, now you only have 8, so you're not holding a monsterdraw. So you should check the flop.

      When somebody bets you can do things:
      Call when you get 5:1 pot odds.
      Fold when the odds are below 5:1.

      If everybody check you re-evaluate your hand on the turn again.
      When you didn't hit your OESD, you'll do the same thing as you should have done on the flop.

      If you do hit your OESD, you play it like a made hand and just bet.
    • Backcushion
      Joined: 29.12.2007 Posts: 816
    • DeKuip
      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,995
      Oh yeah, I didn't even answer your question, what I can do as well here :)
      It's a good practice for calculating odds.

      So as played, you want to know what to do on that raise.
      First of all we need to know the odds you need for an OESD.
      I hope you know the chart with Odds and Outs, it's really easy because it tells you your Odds and Outs for every possible draw!!
      You can find it right here.

      But I think it's better if you get used to it by calculating it yourself.
      On the flop we've seen 5 cards (3 community cards and your own 2 card). Means there are still 47 left in the deck. Out of those 47 cards, there are 8 cards that will improve your hand and give you your OESD (4 fours and 4 nines).

      To calculate your odds, we use the following formula:
      Odds = unhelpful cards : helpful cards
      and Unhelpful cards = unknown cards - helpful cards

      Which will result in:
      Odds = (unknown cards - helpful cards) : helpful cards

      So for the odds from flop to turn, you'll get the following formula:

      Odds from flop to turn = (47 - outs) : outs

      So let's just fill this in, we have 8 outs, so we'll get:
      Odds = (47-8) : 8 = 39 : 8 = ~5:1

      To know if calling a bet is profitable on the long run, we need to know what our pot odds are. That's a bit easier.
      We calculate the pot and we look at how much money we need to stick into it to call the bet.

      So here the calculation for the potsize is:
      $0.50 (pot on flop) + $0.30 (Hero's bet) + $0.30 (MP2 call) + $1 (CO raise) = $2.10 .

      To call CO's raise, we must pay $0.70.
      So our pot odds are, 2.10 : 0.70, which is equal to 3:1 .

      So now you see, we get 5:1 odds and 3:1 pot odds.
      Our odds are bigger than our pot odds, so here we cannot call the raise from CO.

      This is a rough description of the Odds and Outs system. You probably want to know why, when, how etc.
      There is a great article about it, you can find that right here. I know it's a BSS-article, but it's the best when it comes to odds and outs.

      Keep the hands coming and good luck on the tables!!
    • 098799
      Joined: 23.07.2007 Posts: 1,245
      Good rant by DeKuip! Keep up the good work!

      And about the hand:

      Backcushion, I'm not sure if a donkbet here is apropriate. With this one card draw you should rather wait for some improvement without betting straight and call your oponent bets if it's profitable according to the pot odds.

      So I'd check/call if the odds were right and hope for an improvement.