[NL20-NL50] nl25sh - Thin Ahi valuebet

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey,

      Is it okay to bet the turn for value from draws?

      54/32/25h villain. 2/3 foldtocbet so far.

      If he has top pair I have still some equity...

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1979056
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      SB: $35.48
      BB: $14.62
      UTG: $21.78
      Hero (CO): $25.00
      BTN: $41.93

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A :spade: T :diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.68, 2 folds, BB calls $0.43

      Flop: ($1.46) 4 :club: 9 :club: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90

      Turn: ($3.26) 3 :heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

      River: ($7.26) J :club: (2 players)
      BB bets $2.50, Hero folds
  • 8 replies
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Black
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,328
      Bad board for barreling, and we dont have backdoor equity either. I'd rather checkbehind flop, and give up.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      It's not a bluff, it's for value.
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Black
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,328
      OK, I'd say it in a different way... Hit a pair, and bet that for value... :)

      Basically put in more money in spots where you win often, and less money where you dont.

      You dont stand good equitywise even against a wider ch/call range, and you dont have many ways to improve.


      vs pocket

      Asztal: 9:club: 4:club: 3:diamond:
             Részesedés   Nyert  Osztozás
      CO         23.54%  23.54%     0.00% { AsTd }
      BB         76.46%  76.46%     0.00% { 5h5s }



      vs flushdraw

      Asztal: 9:club: 4:club: 3:diamond:
             Részesedés   Nyert  Osztozás
      CO         44.24%  44.24%     0.00% { AsTd }
      BB         55.76%  55.76%     0.00% { 8c7c }



      even vs gutshot

      Asztal: 9:club: 4:club: 3:diamond:
             Részesedés   Nyert  Osztozás
      CO         62.53%  62.53%     0.00% { AsTd }
      BB         37.47%  37.47%     0.00% { 7h6s }
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Okay, lets put you on practice. Give me a range against you think you are betting for value. :) Of course we also have to include made hands from his range.

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      - Let out A9 (some combo's of 9x he could check/raise the flop with)
      - Put in only a few SC that is overs+FD because I assume he's check/raising most of them

      Hmmm 33%

      nl.pokerstrategy.com
      Board: 4c9c3d3h
      Equity Winst Split
      MP2 66.97% 66.76% 0.21% { 88-44, 2d2h, 2h2s, A4s, K9s, K4s, Q9s, J9s, T9s, 98s, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 42s, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Ac8c, Kc8c, Qc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, Ac7c, Kc7c, Qc7c, Tc7c, 8c7c, Ac6c, Kc6c, 8c6c, Ac5c, Kc5c, Ad3d, Ah3h, As3s, 4d3d, 4h3h, Ac2c, KJo, K9o, Q9o, J9o+, T9o, 97o+ }
      MP3 33.03% 32.82% 0.21% { AsTd }


      We can only valuebet if we have 50%+?
    • prevolsek
      prevolsek
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.02.2009 Posts: 287
      You value bet when think you are ahead of your opponent. But you shouldn't think if this is a value bet or not. You need to think if this move will be +EV in the long run.

      The only way this will be +EV is when you expect the opponent to fold enough of his range to your cbet and if you extract enough money out of him when you hit.

      Now a lot of the opponents range won't fold on this board because this flop really hit his range nicely. Also even if you hit with A or T you can't know if you are ahead and might loose even more money on later streets.

      So I also wouldn't cbet the flop.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      I think betting the flop is standard because we protect our equity + we gain ourselves a free rivercard... Sometimes we bet even for value. With position you should CB looser...
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      I think betting the flop is standard because we protect our equity + we gain ourselves a free rivercard... Sometimes we bet even for value. With position you should CB looser...
      Correct but as you analyzed above you see that there ain't really a value-bet on the turn as you said. :)