middle pair vs (2 players at middle positions allins)

    • edgeatsix
      edgeatsix
      Silver
      Joined: 04.07.2011 Posts: 537
      need ur idea about late stage of tournamnet, llike say, last 3- 5 tables left.

      u r at BB, face 2 players at middle position allins,
      u and other two players all got around 10bbs-13bbs.
      if those two range= AJx, 66+, seems we need TT+ to get 35%+

      what PAIR will u call here?? will u call lighter?? (how light) or tigher?? (QQ+??)

      lots of bad experiences of calling and folding :(
  • 6 replies
    • Castle93
      Castle93
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      Joined: 06.06.2011 Posts: 1,452
      basically no one can answer this question effectively buddy as yu havnt included any info, no stats or reads, you havnt said if its FR or SH, obviously every situation is different so maybe try include some info :)

      Alex :)
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
      Black
      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Both of their ranges are not 66+AJ. That might be the guys calling range, but the guy showing has a way way wider range, probably all Axs some suited connectors most brodways so you get about 33% equity with 88 or better.
    • edgeatsix
      edgeatsix
      Silver
      Joined: 04.07.2011 Posts: 537
      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Both of their ranges are not 66+AJ. That might be the guys calling range, but the guy showing has a way way wider range, probably all Axs some suited connectors most brodways so you get about 33% equity with 88 or better.
      that's ture, here i just put them tightest nits' range.
      so narrow down the situation.

      my problem is: will u wait better chance by throwing middle pair?since it's late stage. 3 allins is chaos :( but 10-13bb is low here and hoping for tripleup.
    • edgeatsix
      edgeatsix
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      Joined: 04.07.2011 Posts: 537
      Originally posted by Castle93
      basically no one can answer this question effectively buddy as yu havnt included any info, no stats or reads, you havnt said if its FR or SH, obviously every situation is different so maybe try include some info :)

      Alex :)
      FR game,

      i just made it simplest, meet 2 tightest nits.

      ur choice here would be??
    • Asaban
      Asaban
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      Joined: 22.09.2006 Posts: 8,234
      Well - you already did the math :)
      If you get enough equity with TT you should call TT. It doesn't make sense to call looser. If calling tighter is an option depends on the situation (bubble factors, avg Stacksize, blind structure, payout structure etc).

      Like MatejM47 already mentioned their ranges aren't that tight under normal circumstances. But if you are sure that they are tight like this you should play accordingly.

      Since you already invested the BB and there are antes envolved you need less equity btw. Lets pretend all of you had 10BB left. Your stack is at 9BB after investing the BB. The potsize is 22,5 BB (including antes).

      You need 28,57% equity for a break even call:
      MP2 35.66% 34.14% 1.52% 66+, AJs+, AJo+
      MP3 35.74% 34.21% 1.53% 66+, AJs+, AJo+
      CO 28.60% 28.11% 0.49% 88

      MP2 35.50% 32.73% 2.77% 66+, AJs+, AJo+
      MP3 35.45% 32.69% 2.76% 66+, AJs+, AJo+
      CO 29.05% 25.26% 3.78% AQs

      MP2 34.10% 31.15% 2.95% 66+, AJs+, AJo+
      MP3 34.14% 31.18% 2.96% 66+, AJs+, AJo+
      CO 31.76% 27.11% 4.65% AKo

      As you can see you will get the equity that you need with 88+, AQs+, AKo

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • edgeatsix
      edgeatsix
      Silver
      Joined: 04.07.2011 Posts: 537
      hey ty guys

      asaban, it's very clear, thanks.

      play by the math every time, so wont be bothered by the results.