Cash Game Etiquette, or when to leave?

    • Crox1710
      Crox1710
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      I am currently using a cash game system online that involves leaving as soon as I win a cetain amount (and when I loose). This limit isn't particulaly high but I find it makes me a consistent profit, and I rarely suffer the annoyance of loosing what I have just won. I have hit my limit several times within the first 10-20 hands and got up and banked. However I am aware that it is considered bad form to win your first few hands then get up from the table and bank your winnings.

      I always take a break before returning and I try and join a different table if possible.
      Do people think this is bad ettiquette, or just good discipline?

      I wouldn't do this at a casino, mainly because I'm rarely there and so it's a fun day out rather than a grind.
  • 14 replies
    • bennisboy
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      Meh etiquette online doesn't matter unless you're playing near the top

      But you do realize doing this doesn't mean you can't lose the money you just won, it means you can just lose it at a different table...
    • Crox1710
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      Yeah I know I can loose it again, but it is a good way of breaking the grind up into small progressions. It helps psychologically if anything!
    • RasTweet
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      Hey guys!

      Just moved it to the right forum.

      Btw I don't think you have to care about etiquette online. If you play @ a room with a huge player pool people won't even see you for a long time, so they don't remember that you left last time because you doubled up.

      Regards

      RasTweet
    • dogma18
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      Etiquette at a poker table doesn't need to exist imo. At the end of the day you are trying to take everyone else's money.

      Yeah you can do it while trying your hardest not to offend anyone, but wheres the fun in that? :P
    • Maloco87
      Maloco87
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      Originally posted by RasTweet
      Hey guys!

      Just moved it to the right forum.

      Btw I don't think you have to care about etiquette online. If you play @ a room with a huge player pool people won't even see you for a long time, so they don't remember that you left last time because you doubled up.

      Regards

      RasTweet
      yeah plus its online there is always someone straight into your seat after you and and even if they do get pissed its not like they are gona beat you up outside while you wait for a taxi lol
    • Crox1710
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      I like how whether something is good etiquette or not depends on whether you can get beaten up or not! Anyway I was mainly asking incase it was a big no no. Back to taking other peoples money then...
    • breena
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      Its kinda frustrating when someone hit and runs but sometimes I have done this if I was just about to leave and end up stacking someone in my last hand.

      I play 5 hours most days so if they want to play they can find me somewhere on a different table or on another day.

      The whole etiquite thing makes me laugh we spend all day trying to take each others money and people complain when someone does something considered "rude"
    • GraemeDR
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      It's annoying enough when people complain that you leave the table when you're winning when playing live. You're there to win, if you don't ever leave with people's money you're not going to win.

      Don't let people start bothering you online with the same annoying attitude. As long as you're sticking to a structured plan that you've designed to win money and not just getting lucky in one hand and then leaving then you're not doing anything wrong. If anyone has a problem with a tactic you're using that implies they've spotted your tactic. If they've spotted your tactic then they can either think of a way to beat it, or they can try it themselves. But don't let people stop you from winning money.
    • metza
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      Its rude to leave the table when you've just won a big pot online.
      Its also really rude to bad beat someone and not ship the money back via pokerstars transfer.
      Also its rude to cooler someone, because they cannot fold their hand realistically, you should also ship back the funds you won.
      Even if you just genuinely outplay someone, there is some rudeness in that too, because you are taking advantage of the fact that they are a weaker player.
      I've also sent an email to Stars too, cause I think its well rude that they take rake out of the pot.


      :coolface:


      Just kidding.

      I think you can leave the table whenever you want and still be in good etiquette. I do find the concept of "protecting your winnings" weird though, like if you've won at the table through what you feel is solid play, it is more likely that instead of losing your money if you keep playing, you're going to win even more.

      Hit and Run is an extreme of this mindset, which I feel is not a very positive one. Basically you need to believe in yourself and your ability to play as a winning poker player. If you're so scared of losing your winnings, this positive self-belief is missing and something needs to be done about that. Plus when you're sitting at a table with 300bb+ you feel like a total boss. :f_cool:
    • MatejM47
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      Nah there is no problem with leaving the table at anytime you want live or online. Its not your fault that the idiot got stacked and is now tilted. He should be thanking you for leaving and not taking anymore of his monies :)

      What is however a problem is ratholing MSSers that will hit and run regs and fish alike and insta leave the table once they double up.
    • maythany
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      Don't worry about it.
    • VorpalF2F
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      While agree that there is no etiquette failure in leaving at any time, I do realize that some people don't like it.

      Since leaving when you are up a certain amount is the essence of MSS & BSS, most people -- well me anyway -- playing BSS EXPECT you to leave when you win.

      However, if you are playing BSS, and leave when you double up, you are missing out on some good money-making opportunities.

      If you have just stacked someone, stick around. If you have tilted him, he may blow off another stack before his head explodes.

      You can also use the opportunity to play some deep-stacked hands. Read http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/1588/1/ before you first deep-stacked adventure.

      The short version: Big hands for Big pots.
      This may be a personal perception, but it seems to me that when I have 150BB and higher at the table, I have better fold equity when 3Betting. This seems especially true at zoom
    • metza
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      Vorpal, definitely agree there are some pretty considerable metagame benefits of being deepstacked, even when the effective stacks at the table are all ~100bb.

      You tend to get a lot more folds for preflop and flop 3bets against another deepstacks cos they know how much they stand to lose, I think Sklansky called this the "hammer of future bets" and said it was even more intimidating than an all in and he is definitely right.

      On the other hand you also you get the benefit of being called down a lot lighter vs non deepstack opponents, I've noticed players call me down with very questionable hands thinking I'm "chip bullying them" because I have 300bb even though I'm only risking 100bb effective stack against them so actually I am just playing exactly the same as I normally would. This is especially effective when you shove for your full stack on the river with the goods, they're like "OMG he's trying to scare me out of the pot, but I know I can't lose that much" :f_biggrin:
    • abhi147
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      Originally posted by metza
      Its rude to leave the table when you've just won a big pot online.
      Its also really rude to bad beat someone and not ship the money back via pokerstars transfer.
      Also its rude to cooler someone, because they cannot fold their hand realistically, you should also ship back the funds you won.
      Even if you just genuinely outplay someone, there is some rudeness in that too, because you are taking advantage of the fact that they are a weaker player.
      I've also sent an email to Stars too, cause I think its well rude that they take rake out of the pot.


      :coolface:


      Just kidding.

      I think you can leave the table whenever you want and still be in good etiquette. I do find the concept of "protecting your winnings" weird though, like if you've won at the table through what you feel is solid play, it is more likely that instead of losing your money if you keep playing, you're going to win even more.

      Hit and Run is an extreme of this mindset, which I feel is not a very positive one. Basically you need to believe in yourself and your ability to play as a winning poker player. If you're so scared of losing your winnings, this positive self-belief is missing and something needs to be done about that. Plus when you're sitting at a table with 300bb+ you feel like a total boss. :f_cool:

      Lol that is funny as hell