[NL2-NL10] co KJd, overall

    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
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      MP: $2.96 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.1, Hands: 90
      Hero (CO): $5.67 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 47580
      BTN: $5.05 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 1.5, Hands: 94 WTS:14,
      SB: $5.74 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 12.0, Hands: 247
      BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 32, 3B: 9, AF: 9.0, Hands: 44
      UTG: $5.14 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 52

      Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with K :diamond: J :diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.37) 9 :spade: T :diamond: 7 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.22, BTN raises to $0.77, Hero calls $0.55

      Turn: ($1.91) A :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($1.91) 4 :club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.75,

      dobott
  • 13 replies
    • maythany
      maythany
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      pre flop is standard

      FLOP: I'd 3-bet here because we have a lot of equity against many hands.

      Turn: Checking is something I see myself doing but I would also bet here in certain spots and against specific opponents.

      River: Uhh huge overbet, I don't see many weaker hands calling here in this situation.

      If you got called here then you were definitely up against a weak opponent. I'd bet 70% pot here.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Hello Imimba1,

      What do you think he is raising you with on the flop?

      Do you think you have implied odds vs the range you raising being OOP?

      Best Regards.
    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Imimba1,

      What do you think he is raising you with on the flop?

      Do you think you have implied odds vs the range you raising being OOP?

      Best Regards.
      His range: JJ-77, ATs-A8s, KTs-K9s, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, KdJd, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, ATo-A9o, KTo, QTo+, JTo (77-JJ, some suited broadways, AXd, top pairs)

      Against AxD and QJ I have reverse implied odds, true. Well, I get pretty good odds. I have K high flushdraw+ GS. I barely even need implied odds.

      I see no other way to play flop as call. On the turn if he has a flush we are going AI anyways, so let him at least bet.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello Imimba1,

      What do you think he is raising you with on the flop?

      Do you think you have implied odds vs the range you raising being OOP?

      Best Regards.
      His range: JJ-77, ATs-A8s, KTs-K9s, Q9s+, JTs, T9s, KdJd, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, ATo-A9o, KTo, QTo+, JTo (77-JJ, some suited broadways, AXd, top pairs)

      Against AxD and QJ I have reverse implied odds, true. Well, I get pretty good odds. I have K high flushdraw+ GS. I barely even need implied odds.

      I see no other way to play flop as call. On the turn if he has a flush we are going AI anyways, so let him at least bet.
      Wow, really? How can you put him on a such a range. :D He is passive and practically your range is every single hand you could imagine him calling preflop which also even includes your K:dJ which you are holding. He never-ever does raise such a range, way too optimistic and unrealistic. His raising range is more towards strong holdings and vs them you have to ask if you have implied odds.
    • Imimba1
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      Even against a set I have 40% equity, so I dont even need implied odds.

      BUT I think you are trying to imply to 3bet/broke, because we dont have implied odds!!! We have to use FE if we dont have implied odds? :s_o:
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Even against a set I have 40% equity, so I dont even need implied odds.

      BUT I think you are trying to imply to 3bet/broke, because we dont have implied odds!!! We have to use FE if we dont have implied odds? :s_o:
      Not really, just want to imply that you can't go broke actually vs a strong range. :P With the implied odds it's possible if we also assume to get paid often enough. With a 9 we may also have reversed implied odds cause he may get then a FH.
    • Imimba1
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      This is such a tough situation. We have a K-high flushdraw+GS+2 overcards.
      How could we get away from this?

      Villains range on the flop: 77-JJ; QJ; flushdraws

      Can we bet as a bluff? Not many better hands are going to fold.
      Can we bet for value? Worse FDs could calls, but Axd aswell, so it's very thin.

      Can we call for implied odds? Could be reversed.

      What should be our flop plan? Nothing can we do right here.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      This is such a tough situation. We have a K-high flushdraw+GS+2 overcards.
      How could we get away from this?

      Villains range on the flop: 77-JJ; QJ; flushdraws

      Can we bet as a bluff? Not many better hands are going to fold.
      Can we bet for value? Worse FDs could calls, but Axd aswell, so it's very thin.

      Can we call for implied odds? Could be reversed.

      What should be our flop plan? Nothing can we do right here.
      The initial range you gave him is way too wide, as veriz pointed out.

      Against tighter opponents like him my plan would be to bet/fold the flop for thin value, protection and because we have great equity against most of his calling range. If he raises things chance because now his range becomes very strong (with some bluffs since we are CO vs BTN).

      Since we don't know if we have implied odds and don't know how many NFD he could raise I would just fold. Too much guessing and potentially big mistakes later on OOP in a larger pot.
    • Imimba1
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      Against 68 (straight) we have 50% equity, against overpairs we have 57, against A :diamond: x :diamond: 35%. Even against set we have 40% equity. We are too good here. Our equity is huge.

      We might not have implied odds, that is why I would just 3bet it on the flop. Anything he folds is good for us, and even if he calls, we are in perfect shape. So all in all, if he bluffs a little (seeing my small Cbet), this instantly becomes a good spot to go broke.

      this is the TIGHEST range I can imagine. He might fold Ax :diamond: :diamond: , so raising is so good here.

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 42.86% 41.90% 0.96% KdJd
      MP3 57.14% 56.18% 0.96% JJ-99, 77, T9s, 86s, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Against 68 (straight) we have 50% equity, against overpairs we have 57, against A :diamond: x :diamond: 35%. Even against set we have 40% equity. We are too good here. Our equity is huge.

      We might not have implied odds, that is why I would just 3bet it on the flop. Anything he folds is good for us, and even if he calls, we are in perfect shape. So all in all, if he bluffs a little (seeing my small Cbet), this instantly becomes a good spot to go broke.

      this is the TIGHEST range I can imagine. He might fold Ax :diamond: :diamond: , so raising is so good here.

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 42.86% 41.90% 0.96% KdJd
      MP3 57.14% 56.18% 0.96% JJ-99, 77, T9s, 86s, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d
      What equity do you need to go broke here assuming 0 FE? Isn't it more than 42%?

      We can then work our way back.
    • Imimba1
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      We need 46% equity to go broke on the flop assuming 0 FE. We have AT THE WORST CASE 43% equity.

      1) We cant 3bet for value, and not for bluff I think.
      Too much guessing, aaah
      we could have revered implied vs Axd-->that would incline me to raise and make it fold
      we are behind sets--> that would make me call

      we have so HUGE equity, aaarrg, impossibru
    • BogdanPS
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      Well we are losing money if he never folds and has the range you gave him. I think, if he raises the NFD he never folds to our 3-bet.

      Why being sets makes you want to call? You are behind and you don't get the odds to chase it ;)

      This spot becomes easier if we can assume he bluffs and considering your small cbet that's possible. So your profit will usually come from the dead money we collect.

      If you 3-bet this hand and go with it this is one of those high short term variance spots.
    • Imimba1
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      Holy sh_t, I just noticed something!

      We get a straight with a 8 and a Q aswell, so we have a DOUBLE GUTSHOT!!!
      Well, we have huge implied odds against a set, that would incline me to call.
      we have 14 clean outs againt a set. (2-6, A :diamond: , 8 (4), Q(4).
      Ah, call and reevaluate. Folding K-high FD+2overcardss+doube gutshut is just a mistake.

      Nothing can stray me away from this hand.