[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH: getting value from strong hands OOP in unraised pots

    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      I think I'm making mistakes when I have a very strong hand out of position in a limped pot, causing the pot to stay way too small. I think I sometimes C/R when I should instead just bet or C/C. I'm going to post several hands in which I had this problem.


      hand 1:
      no reads. should I raise on the turn, hoping to get called by a draw?

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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      CO: $21.60
      BTN: $3.55
      Hero (SB): $9.90
      BB: $9.45
      UTG: $4

      Pre-Flop: 8:heart: K:heart: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG calls $0.10, CO folds, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.40) K:spade: K:diamond: 9:heart: (4 Players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($0.40) 8:diamond: (4 Players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, BB folds, UTG calls $0.40

      River: ($1.60) A:heart: (3 Players)
      Hero bets $1.10

      Results: $1.60 Pot ($0.15 Rake)
      Hero mucked 8:heart: K:heart: and WON $1.45 (+$0.95 NET)


      hand 2:

      no reads. C/C turn?

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      Hero (BB): $11.70
      UTG: $20.20
      CO: $17.10
      BTN: $20.75
      SB: $9.60

      Pre-Flop: J:spade: T:heart: dealt to Hero (BB)
      UTG calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.50) T:spade: 3:club: 3:spade: (5 Players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

      Turn: ($1.10) T:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.20, UTG folds

      Results: $2.50 Pot ($0.25 Rake)
      Hero mucked J:spade: T:heart: and WON $2.25 (+$1.15 NET)



      hand 3:
      no reads. bet flop?

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      CO: $7.55
      BTN: $8.15
      SB: $11.80
      Hero (BB): $10.35
      UTG: $9.15

      Pre-Flop: 7:diamond: Q:club: dealt to Hero (BB)
      2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.30) 7:club: 7:heart: 7:spade: (3 Players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($0.30) 8:spade: (3 Players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds

      Results: $0.30 Pot ($0 Rake)
      Hero mucked 7:diamond: Q:club: and WON $0.30 (+$0.20 NET)



      hand 4:

      reads: MP3 had played some huge bluff lines, for example minraise flop, push
      turn. Should I just bet the flop? or C/C?

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      MP: $7.50
      CO: $10.45
      BTN: $8.60
      Hero (SB): $16.10
      BB: $10
      UTG: $12.40

      Pre-Flop: J:spade: 9:spade: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.30) Q:diamond: 8:spade: T:club: (3 Players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds

      Results: $0.90 Pot ($0.05 Rake)
      Hero mucked J:spade: 9:spade: and WON $0.85 (+$0.45 NET)
  • 3 replies
    • Petrificus
      Petrificus
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.02.2008 Posts: 394
      Hm, i mean sometimes you just don't get any value, if your opponents hold crab, so sometimes your style of playing is indifferent, imo.

      In the first hand I had bet the turn, since no one raised the flop, and it happens quite often, that they then check the turn also, what i experienced. If you get a call it is good, if not you won't get any money at all, since they most of the times don't want to bluff in three opponents, imo.

      I'd say in hand 2 you might just call his bet on the turn and bet any river for value. The check on the turn is fine imo, cause he donk-betted the flop.

      Hand 3 is a nice flop, but not good playable, imo.

      On the 4th hand i'd probably bet the flop, cause you might get a call from a Q or a J here.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      1) bet turn or c/r turn, don´t c/c
      2) I´d call his turn bet and donkbet river. Hard to believe that he has T and he won´t call your c/r with any worse hand than T or 3.
      3) bet flop, you´ll get called by any pair and maybe even overcards.
      4) if your hand is good enough c/r, then go bet/3-bet. That way you can always assure that at least one bet goes in with every street (wisdom for fixed limit player coaching :) )
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
      Black
      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      thanks :)