No-Limit Hand Evaluation [Advanced] BSS - Homework

    • BogdanPS
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      Hello everyone,

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  • 24 replies
    • BogdanPS
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      Homework for November 4th, 2012:

      Originally posted by jules97
      BUT looks reg 20/20 30 hands

      SB 10 hands 33/33, looks fishy

      iPoker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): $31.46
      UTG: $9.70
      MP: $10.46
      CO: $16.57
      BTN: $21.37
      SB: $4.18

      SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) K:club: 6:spade: 3:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($0.90, 3 players) 2:club:
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.67, BTN raises to $2.91, fold, Hero raises to $7.22, BTN raises to $21.07, Hero calls $13.85

      River: ($43.04, 2 players) 3:heart:

      Hero shows 6:diamond: 6:club: (Full House, Sixes full of Threes) (Pre 80%, Flop 74%, Turn 23%)
      BTN shows 4:heart: 5:heart: (Straight, Six High) (Pre 20%, Flop 26%, Turn 77%)
      Hero wins $41.04
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      Preflpo ok, its only minraise, we are deep with BTN, its good chance that BTN will not reraise.

      On flop - BTN has not preflop initiative but he has position, so he might want to take down the pot, so for that reason check could be fine. But there is no guaranty. So I think its better to bet at least small to get call from weak hands from fish. And in case BTN has Kx, he should also call. But most likely he will not have strong Kx, so probably we will not get 3 streets of value anyway.
      Then for this reason I think its posible to bluff him out when we do not hit set.

      On turn I think its over played. We beat 33-22, but nothing else. Even such low sets miggn not stack off that much amounts of stack I think. Also with 33 he could bet flop. So its less likely that there is 33 out of nowhere. Don't know.

      BUt on the turn 45 completes, which should be a lot of combos in BTN range.
    • MeAmor22
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      1)On flop i think he should bet in multiway to protect against SD.
      2)On turn the 3 completes SD i would call his raise and reevaluate on river.
      ty
    • jules97
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      I think the flop should be bet.

      Calling his turn 3bet and reevaluating the river is the less variance option and probably the best.

      The turn I think is OK to go with it. I think he's at worst, likely to play 22 or 45s this way and that would give us slight 54.8% equity and the required pot odds to call. He may also ahve some other random stuff in there too.
    • mkjmkjmkj
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      i think we should bet the flop
      preflop is fine
      there is no reason to slowplay because the only overcard that can come is an A
      and the button will never bluff with the fish in the hand.
      and we might give free cards to a straight.

      on the turn i think the stackoff is fine villain only needs to play his sets this way 1/3 of the time to for us to be breakeven.

      but i think a call is better if he is stacking off with his sets on the turn he is also doing it on the river. if we call turn he is also betting the river and we can check raise so if he sometimes folds a set on the turn we get an extra bet on the river by calling turn.
    • PhoenixPhreak
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      Preflop looks standard as a setmine. Versus a tight player on the button who might be stealing, I like a 3bet more preflop, but with the SB calling as well, it is less likely that you'll take it down with 3Bet.

      On the flop the board is not very scary, and of course we hit our set! I think a check/raise is a good plan, but I don't know if this will get much more put in the pot from the button if they were just taking a stab preflop. But I can see the plan for a c/r being fine.

      The bet on the turn is good for value and protection versus now possible flush and straight draws. The raise is very strong though. This is where I tend to overvalue my own hands and get the money in if possible. But I feel three betting here isolates us more strongly to a very narrow part of the Button's range, namely KK and a possible suited connectors which he might have been stealing with making a straight... After the Turn Raise, I don't know what I'd do... I think I'd 'incorrectly' get it all in.

      I'll be reading the other evaluations to try to improve my understanding of hands like this.
    • DrRaab
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      IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $1.80 (90 bb)
      BB: $1.51 (75.5 bb)
      UTG+1: $0.99 (49.5 bb)
      UTG+2: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
      MP1: $0.57 (28.5 bb)
      MP2: $2.37 (118.5 bb)
      MP3: $2.02 (101 bb)
      CO: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $3.65 (182.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 3
      2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.08) 2 6 3 (4 players)
      SB bets $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.19, SB calls $0.13

      Turn: ($0.46) T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, SB calls $0.36

      River: ($1.18) 6 (2 players)
      SB bets $1.31, Hero calls $1.31

      Results:
      $3.80 pot ($0.25 rake)
      Final Board: 2 6 3 T 6
      SB showed 6 2 and won $3.55 ($1.67 net)
      Hero mucked 3 3 and lost (-$1.88 net)


      quite a similar one to the above
    • BogdanPS
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      Homework for November 11th, 2012:

      Originally posted by muel294
      Turn: I think I should check the turn for bluff induce vs such an aggressive opponent. Would you x/shove or x/c T and donk R?

      Cheers

      PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $2.42 27/25/14/11/22/68 hands - LAG IMO
      SB: $2.09
      Hero (BB): $4.00
      UTG: $2.20
      MP: $3.72
      CO: $4.00

      SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A:spade: K:heart:

      UTG calls $0.04, MP calls $0.04, fold, BTN raises to $0.12, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.28

      Flop: ($0.90, 2 players) 3:club: K:spade: 4:heart:
      Hero bets $0.43, BTN calls $0.43

      Turn: ($1.76, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      Hero bets $0.84, fold

      Hero wins $1.68
    • JohnDoe1313
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      Preflop: I would add at least 1bb more. You don't want to give those guys too good odds as there are two limpers already and small 3bb raise.

      Flop: I would bet a little bit more ~$0.50.

      Turn: Our opponent seems pretty aggressive. He has pot left in his stack so c/shove would be ok. There aren't many draws so we wouldn't mind a check back and we can still get some value on river.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      preflop 3bet bigger , it was 3bb isolation, so at least 4x and not bad would be to add 1 bb for eahc limper. So 0.48+ 8 = 0.56 I thinkg for value.

      Flop cbet ok, board is dry, so sizing is ok.

      I would not risk on the turn, I just continue to bet. Not sure if we should bet/fold or bet/push, but vs agro player in 3bet pot I guess it not bad to bet push 100 bb stack. 68 hands sample is not big, so still - if we really assume that he is agro, then bet/push. It would be good to have notes where he makes agro moves.
      Oh and he is not full stack, so I guess we cannot fold on turn anymore.
    • jules97
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      Looks fine to me. No way I would be doing anything but bet/pushing V BTN stacksize the whole way through the hand, especially flop onwards.

      Betting smaller on flop and turn with his stacksize to induce something could be an option. Might go something like 30c on turn, then be shoving any river.
    • PhoenixPhreak
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      I looks generally well played to me. The flop and turn bets are a bit small, but he is a bit short-stacked, so I understand trying to give him a good price since the board is really dry.
      Still, I would bet larger on the flop to commit him more to the hand.
    • BogdanPS
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      Homework for November 18th, 2012:

      Originally posted by JohnDoe1313
      Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $3.60 (36 bb)
      MP1: $14.34 (143.4 bb)
      Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $10.13 (101.3 bb)
      MP3: $10 (100 bb)
      MP2: $13.18 (131.8 bb) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.1, Hands: 196
      UTG+2: $25.18 (251.8 bb) - unknown, but he minraised 4 times in a row
      SB: $10.69 (106.9 bb)

      Stats on SB


      Preflop: Hero is CO with J K
      UTG+2 raises to $0.20, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.20, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, BTN folds, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($1) Q K 3 (5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.70, 3 folds

      Turn: ($2.40) 9 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

      River: ($4.60) 8 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $4.60 pot ($0.23 rake)
      Final Board: Q K 3 9 8
      Hero mucked J K and lost (-$2 net)
      SB showed 3 3 and won $4.37 ($2.37 net)

      Could SB have something else than 33? Do I have a valuebet on turn from Qx, maybe KTs?
    • jules97
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      Not sure about preflop with FR.

      I'd bet the turn bigger, 2/3 pot.
      I'd value bet the river for worse Kx and Qx, around 1.50 - 2.00.
      I'd chuckle at what he show'd up with and take a note :)
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      preflop ok, but could as well be a raise, because its minraise, so similar to limp.

      Flop bet is ok, top pair and nobody bets - for value.

      On turn there is not much value, because SB range is tight, I don't think after he called flop that he is having worse hand than us. He should have KT, which I doubh he calls preflop. So I think its better to cbh, since its towards strong hands. KQ is more likely, also 33.
    • BogdanPS
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      Homework for November 25th, 2012:

      Originally posted by jules97
      BUT 25/15 22h
      BB passive fish

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $28.88
      Hero (SB): $37.03
      BB: $12.40
      UTG: $46.41
      MP: $31.86
      CO: $32.91

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:club: T:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, fold

      Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) 3:club: 3:heart: A:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

      Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) 2:club:
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($3.75, 2 players) Q:heart:
      Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05

      Hero shows K:club: T:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 41%, Flop 31%, Turn 91%)
      BTN mucks A:spade: Q:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 59%, Flop 69%, Turn 9%)
      Hero wins $5.59
    • JohnDoe1313
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      Calling with fish behind is ok but I think we could consider folding preflop because we are oop against both players.

      Postflop is well played imo. BU will probably bet his whole range on this flop. There's no reason to donk turn, we don't need to protect. The only thing I would do differently is river bet size. BU could check back most Ax hands as there isn't much value on turn, so I would bet bigger, smth like ~$2.
    • Saren113
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Homework for November 25th, 2012:

      Originally posted by jules97
      BUT 25/15 22h
      BB passive fish

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $28.88
      Hero (SB): $37.03
      BB: $12.40
      UTG: $46.41
      MP: $31.86
      CO: $32.91

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:club: T:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, fold

      Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) 3:club: 3:heart: A:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

      Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) 2:club:
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($3.75, 2 players) Q:heart:
      Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05

      Hero shows K:club: T:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 41%, Flop 31%, Turn 91%)
      BTN mucks A:spade: Q:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 59%, Flop 69%, Turn 9%)
      Hero wins $5.59
      For me this is a pretty standard 3b spot we got a hand with good blockers, that dosen't play very well oop. In my eyes. Broadway hands play great in 3b pots.
    • MeAmor22
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      [quote]Originally posted by Saren113
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Homework for November 25th, 2012:

      Originally posted by jules97
      BUT 25/15 22h
      BB passive fish

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $28.88
      Hero (SB): $37.03
      BB: $12.40
      UTG: $46.41
      MP: $31.86
      CO: $32.91

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:club: T:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, fold

      Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) 3:club: 3:heart: A:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

      Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) 2:club:
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($3.75, 2 players) Q:heart:
      Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05

      Hero shows K:club: T:club: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 41%, Flop 31%, Turn 91%)
      BTN mucks A:spade: Q:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 59%, Flop 69%, Turn 9%)
      Hero wins $5.59
      1)For Me PF is a standard call.
      2)On flop with FD i would donkbet to grow the pot and why not to take down. I think on that flop he will float a lot.
      3)On turn i Would keeping bet.
      4)On river i would try to push if its possible.
      ty
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