[NL2-NL10] Q7s

    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2009 Posts: 4,086
      Hi!

      My opponents: UTG is a TAG, the button is an aggressive player post-flop. He tends to limp and overcall with a pretty strong range, but he did 3-bet.

      My image: Loose, but by no means completely nuts, just a little bit crazy. I had usually had the goods when the money went in. (We had played some 150 hands at this point.)

      EDIT: I have no idea why PT4 is mixing bet sizes in BB and pot sizes in £.

      Microgaming - £0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: 79.5 BB
      UTG: 105 BB
      Hero (MP): 112.5 BB
      CO: 77.25 BB
      BTN: 107 BB
      SB: 99.75 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: £0.06) Hero has 7:heart: Q:heart:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

      Flop: (£0.54, 4 players) 3:club: Q:diamond: 3:heart:
      UTG checks, Hero bets 13.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 13.5 BB, fold

      Turn: (£1.62, 2 players) 2:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 20 BB, Hero raises to 96 BB and is all-in

      ,fold
      Hero
      wins 77 BB


      Pre-flop: Well, you don't have to tell me. I know. But folding is boring.

      Flop: So UTG checked. He probably missed that flop. Had he hit it, he would not have trusted anybody else to bet for him. I can represent both a trey and a queen here - and overpairs. Besides, I do have a queen.

      My opponent on the button goes into the tank before he calls my bet.

      Turn: The pot is getting big. Now I think that the only way for him of having me beat is to have 33 in the hole which is pretty unlikely - and better queens, which are very likely, from which he is extracting maximum value using his position. Of course, he could have a few A3s too. It is still mostly good queens that worries me.

      The options: Bet, and quite possibly face a raise? I'd have to fold. Also, if I bet and he calls, I have no real value bet or bluff left in the arsenal. Again, I'd expose myself to a value bet or bluff on his part.

      My conclusion was that I could push him off a better queen here more often than not with a check-raise. If he has a smaller pair (say 99), then there wouldn't be more value in check-calling because he might not fire the river with that. He might, as I mentioned, also bluff me off with a river barrel.

      Right or wrong?
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello YohanN7,

      Preflop: Fold it preflop? :) If folding is boring then this game definitely ain't for you. You also have to be willing to fold hands which clearly don't play good postflop.

      As played
      Postflop: Good example how to overplay your TP holding. :) Hard to comment this even cause this is clearly a overplay here.

      Best Regards.
    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2009 Posts: 4,086

      As played
      Postflop: Good example how to overplay your TP holding. :) Hard to comment this even cause this is clearly a overplay here.
      Still, you do comment by hinting that my play sucks. But you don't tell me why, except for preflop which I explicitely was not asking about.

      I am not playing my weak top pair here. I am trying to bluff him off the hand, specifically a better Q and stopping a bluff from him. This is what I'm asking about. What I actually hold is less important except that my Q beats his medium pp that I don't want him to be able to use to bluff me off my hand. I still want value from these.

      /Johan = :f_confused:
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by YohanN7

      As played
      Postflop: Good example how to overplay your TP holding. :) Hard to comment this even cause this is clearly a overplay here.
      Still, you do comment by hinting that my play sucks. But you don't tell me why, except for preflop which I explicitely was not asking about.

      I am not playing my weak top pair here. I am trying to bluff him off the hand, specifically a better Q and stopping a bluff from him. This is what I'm asking about. What I actually hold is less important except that my Q beats his medium pp that I don't want him to be able to use to bluff me off my hand. I still want value from these.

      /Johan = :f_confused:
      Bluffing a better hand off the pot? You wont really see that. :) What do you think he folds? What can you represent that he really will think of folding Qx?
    • YohanN7
      YohanN7
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2009 Posts: 4,086
      My thoughts on this:


      I can represent everything the board lets me represent. I was playing quite wild and sometimes tricky on the early streets, but as I mentioned, when the real money went in, I usually had what I represented, and this was deep into the session. He was very aggressive, but not stupid.

      Besides, his turn bet smelled a little of "please let us see the river cheaply".

      If you were him, would you have called a (slightly bigger than pot) raise on turn with AQ/KQ/QJ? With AA/KK (which he is unlikely to have).

      He might also start leveling himself. He might decide hits pp is good at this point, but this not a main ingredient, it's just a fringe benefit.


      I accept your argument though. The average player at this stake will not let top pair go for a measly buy-in. The problem is to sort them out from the good players, that will let go, or only occasionally call down, but probably not often enough. If a player loses his stack with top pair, I'll take a note. Against him - no big bluffs and no semi-bluffs unless he checks.

      I should mention too that I'm sometimes Gibraltars Rock preflop as well. It depends on my mood, the table, and the stacks :f_biggrin: . If the stacks are very deep, the opponents bad, and I have position, I'll play most hands, even for a raise. (That's how I lost a 1200 BB pot earlier this session. Small nut straight on the turn, paired river.)

      Thanks for taking another look at this hand :D

      /Johan = :f_confused: