[NL2-NL10] nl2 hero 8h8s

    • MeAmor22
      MeAmor22
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      Joined: 07.05.2011 Posts: 4,247
      hy,
      Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $3.50 (175 bb)
      UTG+1: $2.36 (118 bb)
      Hero (SB): $2.26 (113 bb)
      MP2: $2.08 (104 bb)
      UTG+2: $1.20 (60 bb)
      BTN: $1.56 (78 bb)
      MP1: $1.93 (96.5 bb)
      CO: $0.90 (45 bb)
      MP3: $2.11 (105.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 8
      UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.09, BB calls $0.08, UTG+2 folds

      Flop: ($0.32) 8 Q J (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30, MP2 folds

      Turn: ($0.92) A (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.66, BB raises to $1.32, Hero raises to $1.86 and is all-in, BB calls $0.54

      River: ($4.64) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $4.64 pot ($0.23 rake)
      Final Board: 8 Q J A 3
      BB showed 5 A and won $4.41 ($2.15 net)
      Hero mucked 8 8 and lost (-$2.26 net)

      1)On flop my donk bet is ok?
      2)On turn i decided to push because in my opinion he could not have AA or QQ in his range because i think he would 3bet with them PF.
      So in my opinion he could have 2p(AJ;AQ;J8;QJ) ; Sd(only 2 posibilit 9T or KT) and FD so thats why i push it .
      His stats are:20/6/1.2/2.3/58/279 vpip/pfr/AF/3bet/w$sd/hands
      ty
  • 8 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Hi,

      I would have played it the same way- I think c/r is also fine on that very drawy board. bet/shove should be standard play on the turn, since he can get all-in two pair hands

      best regards,
    • MeAmor22
      MeAmor22
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      veriz could youl reevaluate plz ?
      TY
    • SvenBe
      SvenBe
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      Hi MeAmor22,

      something unclear with Kaitz20s post?

      To let it look a bit clearer:

      1) I think your donk is ok. Sometimes gutshots or even good draws check behind because they fear a c/r. With a checkraise you also gain in my opinion more fold equity than you want to - A :diamond: A :spade: might even be tempted to fold to it. So donk is fine, betsize is fine!

      2)very well analysed about him not having QQ & AA! Your reasoning is totally fine and I have nothing to add here. Maybe that he of course could also have a ready straight, but that is just a tiny part of the range.

      Well done!
    • MeAmor22
      MeAmor22
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      i dont have any pb with katiz evaluation but i think there is a mistake becasue PF i am not the raiser so the mp2 couldnt 3bet me and after i looked again at the hand he could have QQ and AA in his hands so i think i should have fold on turn against his reraise.
      What do you think?
      ty
    • CPallo
      CPallo
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      Joined: 12.04.2012 Posts: 4,343
      He definitely have suited connectors and 2pairs in his range (like AQ), so it's quite sure that you are ahead. Sets had raised you on flop, and that minraise on turn could be FD's and two pair Ax-combos as well.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by MeAmor22
      i dont have any pb with katiz evaluation but i think there is a mistake becasue PF i am not the raiser so the mp2 couldnt 3bet me and after i looked again at the hand he could have QQ and AA in his hands so i think i should have fold on turn against his reraise.
      What do you think?
      ty
      Why should we fold the turn just because he can have QQ and AA? He also has a lot of 2p combinations like AQ, AJ, A8 and draws.
    • SvenBe
      SvenBe
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      Just my thoughts on top:

      we have 3 players here:

      * us
      * the MP player who raised preflop, but folded on the flop
      * the BB, that we are playing against.

      Since we have a limper, 1 raiser + 1 caller - I see no value in just calling in the BB. Calling here is really totally stupid with a non-drawing hand like AA or QQ. Even fishes realize that concept. So I stick with my previous message: He will very likely not have QQ or AA. If you try to give him a range look at your OP. If you extend it with 1 or 2 combos of AA+QQ, you will still be far ahead!

      Folding on the turn is... let me say it with a picture:

    • holmeboy
      holmeboy
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      Three judges in the same thread lol. Nothing to add donking is definately better imo. It's so wet that you don't want to see villain x behind on flop... SvenBe mentioned x/r has too much fe so he could even fold AA/KK/AQ type hands.

      => donk>x/r imo

      I wouldn't worry about AA/QQ that's only 6 combinations of hands in his entire range.


      Like Kaitz said - I'd play it the same way