[NL2-NL10] QQ vs tight range...possible value on turn?

    • Darkyd10
      Joined: 08.04.2010 Posts: 1,329
      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BTN): $12.84 (256.8 bb)
      SB: $13.16 (263.2 bb)
      BB: $8.05 (161 bb)
      MP: $8.17 (163.4 bb)
      CO: $10.01 (200.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.05, SB folds, BB calls $0.45

      Flop: ($2.25) 6 5 K (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($2.25) 4 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($2.25) 8 (2 players)
      BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

      $4.25 pot ($0.18 rake)
      Final Board: 6 5 K 4 8
      Hero showed Q Q and won $4.07 ($2.02 net)
      BB showed 8 8 and lost (-$2.05 net)
  • 2 replies
    • Darkyd10
      Joined: 08.04.2010 Posts: 1,329
      the thing with this hand is...hes a reg...hes tight as fuck 3betting and has a 5.9% 3betting range

      i min4bet becuz if i 4bet big hes folding any but top range QQ+ AK, and yet when i min4bet hes 5betting AA or KK...see where im getting at?

      so value yes,

      so we excluded AA and KK good, but now with K board he can easily have AK, KQs type of hands and ofc he has any pair, which would probably fold (the pairs) because he gives me a pretty strong range

      thing is...would he check a K twice? if not i can probably valuebet turn...do u agree? and on that river probably valueraise aswell because the Ac and Kc is out of range

      am i making sense? should i have excluded K from his range on turn?
    • BogdanPS
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Why are we excluding AA and KK?

      He can still flat with them although his range is much wider than that. He can call with almost his entire 3-bet range here so it's hard for us to put him on a hand.

      Wouldn't he bet with Ac on the turn, at least with some frequency? A Kc also bets the turn often which leaves us with the nuts on the river (besides the 7c).

      So we could even throw in a small raise for value from Jc/Tc.

      As played though I'd bet the turn because once he checks twice it's clear we have the best hand and we can try to get some value from his pairs.