[NL20-NL50] 3 barreling deep in 3 bet pot - was it good idea?

    • gonepoker
      Joined: 15.05.2009 Posts: 439
      Villain seems to be a new reg (don't have big database, his VPIP was 28, PFR 23, fold to 3b 38% after just ~100 hands sample).
      I had 3bet happy guy image since guy between us was very bad.
      Do you think 3ple barreling was good idea (why?, why not?)

      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP: $106.90 (213.8 bb)
      CO: $19.90 (39.8 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $236.19 (472.4 bb)
      SB: $52.20 (104.4 bb)
      BB: $108.92 (217.8 bb)
      UTG: $172.51 (345 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J
      UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, MP calls $4.50, CO folds

      Flop: ($14.25) 8 3 8 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP calls $8

      Turn: ($30.25) 3 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $20, MP calls $20

      River: ($70.25) Q (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $202.19 and is all-in, MP calls $72.90 and is all-in

      Results: $216.05 pot ($3.00 rake)
      Final Board: 8 3 8 3 Q
  • 2 replies
    • CPallo
      Joined: 12.04.2012 Posts: 4,350
      I think it's not that good idea in this spot. He's probably calling down this kind of pots with plenty of hands in his range. And you're basically not representing a thing as that flop/turn never hit your 3-bet range and you don't have an overpair that often.

      He might be on a float or a weak hand if he was IP, but after the check on river I can't see him folding that many hands. Your overpot makes this play even more suspicious and he might call of lighter. It looks more like a busted draw or some weak holding that you want to turn into a bluff, not like a valuebet IMO.

      Though I must say, that he might need a Q there to call off the river, you have put so much pressure on him and you might do those moves with overpairs, AQ/KQ and stuff. But still, can't see it being too +EV in the long run to barrel 3 streets in a spot like this.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello gonepoker,

      The problem is that if you have a 3bet happy image then you are almost always getting called down in those spots. I just don't see him that often folding JJ not even TT in those spots. Cause practically everything missed and you have a very wide squeezing range even for 200bb.

      What kind of hand would you play yourself this way? Would you still shove KK/AA on the river?

      Best Regards.