[NL2-NL10] NL10 KQs PreFlop

    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      As I was doubting whether to raise the Minraise to 80c or just fold because I can consider a minraise from MP3 as a real raise.

      However I just folded my hand because I didnt knew what to do thats why I posted this hand.
      No stats nor reads involved.

      Thanks in advance
      PS I made a note of the minraise of the villain.

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      HAND #1
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      Party Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
      Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

      Hero (SB): $2.28 (22.8 bb)
      BB: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
      UTG+1: $10.90 (109 bb)
      UTG+2: $6.93 (69.3 bb)
      MP1: $10 (100 bb)
      MP2: $1.65 (16.5 bb)
      MP3: $11.55 (115.5 bb)
      CO: $1.99 (19.9 bb)
      BTN: $1.59 (15.9 bb)

      Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q
      UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.20, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.55) J (2 players)
      UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks

      Turn: ($0.55) 4 (2 players)
      UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks

      River: ($0.55) 3 (2 players)
      UTG+2 bets $0.45, MP3 raises to $0.90, UTG+2 raises to $3.40, MP3 calls $2.50

      Results (listed below in white, highlight to see): $7.35 pot ($0.36 rake)
      UTG+2 showed Js 6s (a flush, Jack high) and lost (-$3.60 net)
      MP3 showed As Qs (a flush, Ace high) and won $6.99 ($3.39 net)
  • 7 replies
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
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      Just raise to $0.60 (3x raise size).
      You have position on both Villains, so on the flop you can just re-eavulate.

      On these limits people can minraise with ATC.
    • 098799
      098799
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      Hi Gerv,

      yeah, on the NL10 it's pretty normal for these minbets to be stealraises. I think you can push here (since you'd be commited after raising to $0.8), it'll maximise the fold equity and it's ok with 4.5 BB already in the pot.

      Good luck at the tables.
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
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      Sorry for the dumb question, but why raise $0.80 instead of $0.60?
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Originally posted by DeKuip
      Sorry for the dumb question, but why raise $0.80 instead of $0.60?
      Wrong typed sorry, must be 60c (3x instead of 4x)
    • 098799
      098799
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      Oh, at least $0.7 because of the limper before. If you want to treat minraises as limpers you need to treat one minraiser as two limpers since he puts twice more money into the pot. Here it's not the 'raise 3x' option but the 4BB+1 (or 2 for minraise).

      $0.7 is still a bit too much and you're oop! OOP means the faster the push, the better. (nice sentence ;p)
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      well from that perspective (Seeing him as a limper) you are right.

      But with KQ , I see this guy as a (min)raiser so I have to raise 3 times his bet and not 4 times if I am correct.

      If I held like AKo , I would treat him as a limper yes or is this not an adequate thing to see him if I held AKo/s ?
    • 098799
      098799
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      You can play any reasonable hand the way I explained it.

      Either you treat minraises as a raisers - than you fold anything but JJ+, AK - or you treat them as limpers, than you can play any hand from shc.