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[NL2-NL10] FF NL4-6Max KQs in UTG

    • BigAl123456
      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 4,080
      Party, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $4.55 (113.8 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $5.04 (126 bb)
      BB: $3.35 (83.8 bb)
      CO: $6.83 (170.8 bb)-VPIP 32%-PFR 18%-PFAF 0.7-FTFlCB 39%(23)-WTSD 39%(64)-W$SD 40%(25)
      MP: $4.37 (109.3 bb)
      SB: $9.19 (229.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K Q
      Hero raises to $0.16, MP calls $0.16, CO calls $0.16, 3 folds

      Flop: ($0.54) Q 7 4 (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.40, MP folds, CO calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.34) 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.86, CO calls $0.86

      River: ($3.06) K (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.52, CO raises to $5.41 and is all-in, Hero folds

      $6.10 pot ($0.30 rake)
      Final Board: Q 7 4 9 K
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$2.94 net)
      CO mucked and won $5.80 ($2.86 net)

      I dont know how to describe the meaning of the stats in terms of if the players a TAGy or LAGy in 6max so until I do Ill just post there stats unless I have less than 20 hands. In this case CO is a Multi Entere.

      Not sure about my plan to Bet/Fold the River, is Check/Folding Check/Calling for bluff induce better?
  • 5 replies
    • PhoenixPhreak
      Joined: 15.04.2011 Posts: 335
      I like the preflop play.
      I think a bigger flop bet is needed to protect against the flush draw. Maybe $0.45 or $0.50.
      Same goes for turn. As played on flop, the turn could be more like $1.10 or so.

      As played, Good fold on the river.

      Thinking about the river now, If you're going to spend $1.50 either way, then check/calling a bet of that size costs you the same as bet/folding. Also, you might actually catch a bluff or worse hand, though I wouldn't count on it all the time, the number of times (%) might be often enough.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BigAl123456,

      You can always answer your question about how to play the river by "do you think he pays you with worse hands? What kind of hands are calling you on the flop & turn? We of course may assume that huge portion of his calling range is going to be FDs, so have to watch out. Cause if he bets he ain't bluffing there anyways.

      Best Regards.
    • BigAl123456
      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 4,080
      So does that obv means Bet/Folding is the best?
    • SvenBe
      Joined: 19.04.2006 Posts: 13,501
      Hi BigAl123456,

      As veriz said, this depends on the range you give him - is he playing draws passively and made hands aggressive, then you got it in badly:

      MP2 40.00% 34.29% 5.71% KdQd
      MP3 60.00% 54.29% 5.71% KQs, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, KcJc, QcJc, AcTc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Ac9c, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Ac8c, Kc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Ac7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Ac6c, 7c6c, Ac5c, 6c5c, Ac4c, 5c4c, Ac3c, 4c3c, Ac2c, 3c2c, KQo, QTo+
      <= thats a lot of Flushdraws plus a few top pairs

      but there are also villains who play hands like 97, Q9 ...even Q7 or any other queen - or who call down JJ or TT (tough unlikely). Then your odds of winning are much better.

      What I can guarantee you is that check/calling will be the worst option. Why should he bet QT after you check to him? A flushdraw arived, a overcard came - so in prinziple a lot of better hands will bet, a lot of the worse hands will check behind. In theory vs oponents who like to represent those hands we could have an exception. However I can not just blindly assume this.

      So b/f it is! (you can even play around with equilab to find which worse hands out of a range that he plays like this pre-flop-turn-river will call you)

      If you have any further questions - just post here
    • Philfox1985
      Joined: 18.12.2010 Posts: 934
      Agreed, its always b/f or c/f there for me.

      There are a fair few hands that may pay off a bet, but would never bet themselves that you get value from by betting, but as noted above its only profitable if you think that is enough of his range.

      Typically against an unknown I will play b/f, but that is just my 'stye' on the lower stakes, the villian usually calls wider that you would expect.