[NL2-NL10] co AJ fold to 3bet?

    • Imimba1
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      MP: $8.53 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 27, 3B: 0, AF: 4,7, Hands: 211
      Hero (CO): $10.50 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,0, Hands: 53719
      BTN: $15.68 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 6
      SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 0,8, Hands: 56
      BB: $10.98 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 27, 3B: 18, AF: 5,0, Hands: 30
      UTG: $6.78 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 28, 3B: 13, AF: 4,0, Hands: 57

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J :diamond: A :spade:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.95, 1 fold, Hero? snapfold?
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    • BogdanPS
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      We should either fold or 4-bet to about 2.3-2.4 until we learn more about his 3-bet ranges. Folding of course is the more standard play against unknown reg.
    • Imimba1
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    • dienaszaglis
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      We should either fold or 4-bet to about 2.3-2.4 until we learn more about his 3-bet ranges. Folding of course is the more standard play against unknown reg.
      You mean, 4-bet bluff of course?

      :f_p:
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by dienaszaglis
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      We should either fold or 4-bet to about 2.3-2.4 until we learn more about his 3-bet ranges. Folding of course is the more standard play against unknown reg.
      You mean, 4-bet bluff of course?

      :f_p:
      Of course, we can't stack off here preflop.
    • Imimba1
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    • Imimba1
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Originally posted by dienaszaglis
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      We should either fold or 4-bet to about 2.3-2.4 until we learn more about his 3-bet ranges. Folding of course is the more standard play against unknown reg.
      You mean, 4-bet bluff of course?

      :f_p:
      Of course, we can't stack off here preflop.
      Theoretical question: I see many times that e..g if we plan to 3bet.fold, then its 'turning our hand into a bluff".
      Why? If I 3bet with KK, and KNOW that the villain only 4bets with AA, and calls the rest, it was still for value, even though I'm bet/folding.

      So just because we 3bet.f, it could be for value, couldnt it? If he calls with a PP, and folds to a CB, then we it was technically for value.
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Originally posted by dienaszaglis
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      We should either fold or 4-bet to about 2.3-2.4 until we learn more about his 3-bet ranges. Folding of course is the more standard play against unknown reg.
      You mean, 4-bet bluff of course?

      :f_p:
      Of course, we can't stack off here preflop.
      Theoretical question: I see many times that e..g if we plan to 3bet.fold, then its 'turning our hand into a bluff".
      Why? If I 3bet with KK, and KNOW that the villain only 4bets with AA, and calls the rest, it was still for value, even though I'm bet/folding.

      So just because we 3bet.f, it could be for value, couldnt it? If he calls with a PP, and folds to a CB, then we it was technically for value.
      Well I call this type of scenario a 3-bet for value versus calling range and bluff versus 4-bet range.

      A lot of people though like to argue that unless you can 3-bet for value versus both you can't call it value.

      If I have a guy that only 4-bet AA but calls a lot to 3-bets then clearly we are value raising versus his calling range.