[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - tJs 3way/3bet pot

    • Farmarchist
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      Nice played ? =)

      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2003030
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      BTN: $42.26 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 9, AF: 3.3, Hands: 142
      SB: $45.83 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 66
      BB: $17.47 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 44, 3B: 67, AF: 4.0, Hands: 16
      Hero (CO): $26.81 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 3.6, Hands: 534418

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T :club: J :club:
      Hero raises to $0.68, BTN calls $0.68, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.61, Hero calls $0.93, BTN calls $0.93

      Flop: ($4.93) K :club: 5 :club: K :spade: (3 players)
      BB bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, BTN folds

      Turn: ($9.43) 6 :spade: (2 players)
      BB bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

      River: ($16.93) 3 :heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $12.00, BB folds
  • 10 replies
    • pleno1
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      Hey man,

      Firstly, just seen your stats, 17/14, I think at any limits its going to be generally a little bit too tight. How wide are you opening from the cut off as strandard?

      I would call pre flop for sure.

      Vs a 67% 3bet range our hand is in pretty good shape on this flop, he is just going to have so many random hands like Ax that even if they want to go all in then its not going to be a problem. So I would just raise the flop straight away and go with our equity.

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 43.82% 40.60% 3.22% KK-22, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 53s+, A2o+, K2o+, Q4o+, J6o+, T6o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o
      MP3 56.18% 52.96% 3.22% JcTc


      Ofc its extreme but still I think you get the point.

      Furthermore we could potentially call the flop and shove the turn. If we do this then we always get another bet out of our opponent and thus more value, we would need to be sure about his post flop aggression though.
    • Farmarchist
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      Hey pleno,

      Those stats ain't correct at all. It's not updated, those stats are really old.

      I play this style:

      (screenshot for stats last month)

    • pleno1
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      Hey,

      Thats good, just wanted to make sure.

      What do you think about the flop c/r?
    • double2
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      Originally posted by pleno1
      Hey,

      Thats good, just wanted to make sure.

      What do you think about the flop c/r?
      I suppose you're talking from a theoretical point of view because in this hand we cannot c/r flop :)

      I tend to c/r flop with strong holdings that I am willing to stack off and as a semi bluff that can range from a flush draw to something like back door FD+overcards, gutshot+overs...

      I tend to c/r flops that I can represent a strong hand such as boards like 5d6d8h when I have AdJs for instance. I know you also like to c/r dry boards because you say that most villains simply let you get away with it. But I am yet to implement that on my game. I call 88 in BB vs BU steal, flop ATxr, I just don't have it in me to c/r such a board with no equity and representing very little.

      Input would be appreciated :)
    • pleno1
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      Hey,

      Sorry I meant raise flop/get it in sorry.

      In respect to this hand we don't need to think about balance or anything about having certain hands in our range, he is a fish so should take a line which we think shows the maximum profit in this one hand.

      I really think raising/getting in is going to be way fine, looking forward to other peoples thoughts..
    • Saren113
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      Really depends on what type of fish it is, is it either a fit or fold fish that's love to see flops and then fold to flop cb. Or is it the aggrofish that's goes with any pair on this type of board.
    • pleno1
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      Originally posted by Saren113
      Really depends on what type of fish it is, is it either a fit or fold fish that's love to see flops and then fold to flop cb. Or is it the aggrofish that's goes with any pair on this type of board.
      From the stats in the op..

      BB: $17.47 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 44, 3B: 67, AF: 4.0,

      I think he may be a bit of a loony :)
    • Saren113
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      Ha didn't notice stats! I agree with pleno1 then, as we can expect us that our pair out is often good, so we will have something like 9-12 outs here. 55+,A2s+,K2s+,Q5s,J5s,T5s,95s,85s,75s,65s,52s+,AKo,K8o+,53o+ if he got this range we got 40.62% eq this is just a pure value range no draws.
    • Farmarchist
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      So what are you trying to say? :D . Raise flop? Raise turn? Mostly because of his weak sizing right?

      Because I did get such good odds and I don't want to bluff a fish I just called. I can always take the pot away later, like now.
    • pleno1
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      We're saying to raise flop. He has a SUPER wide range, but we are super happy to win the pot now because we dont have showdown value, and if he does decide to go with his hand then thats fine, we have a flush draw and our pairs are probably live :)