[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL50 AKo 3bet pot vs fish

    • duder1n0
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      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

      BTN: $52.45 (104.9 bb)
      SB: $84.67 (169.3 bb)
      Hero (BB): $63.67 (127.3 bb)
      CO: $142.42 (284.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
      CO raises to $2.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7.50, CO calls $5

      Flop: ($15.25) K Q 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $9.50, CO calls $9.50

      Turn: ($34.25) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $34.25, Hero raises to $46.67 and is all-in, CO calls $12.42

      River: ($127.59) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)


      Anon table.

      Same fish as in the other AK hand, played 49/8, wtsd 18, AFq F-T-R 47-55-50, raiseflopcbet 18.
      This hand has already been tiltish I guess...
      What would have been the right line against such a fish? Halfpot cbet flop, bet/fold turn?
  • 9 replies
    • kymupa
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      Make it a little bigger preflop.

      I would rather bet bigger on flop and put the rest of the money on the turn since this is a board where I do not expect him to have complete air, and against his draws you want the money in as soon as possible.
    • double2
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      I think nice hand.
    • pleno1
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      Hey,

      I think this is played pretty perfectly.

      Pre flop I would maybe go a little bigger than 3x because we're oop a little deeper.

      On the flop, i think betting under 10 encourages some floats and discourages hero folds.

      On the turn when he bets pots its pretty silly of him to do it with Qx and can easily be pricing himself in with draws or protecting with a worse king, so I just go all in.

      NH, wp.
    • Farmarchist
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      Pleno, can you also tell us why checking OTT is best? =)
    • DecMate
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      i think on the turn checking is an option depending how well you know the fish, but since you know he is a fish i think just betting like 22$ would be good here as he will shove his draws (or call) an could keep hands like 10's in cus he thinks your weak
    • Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by DecMate
      i think on the turn checking is an option depending how well you know the fish, but since you know he is a fish i think just betting like 22$ would be good here as he will shove his draws (or call) an could keep hands like 10's in cus he thinks your weak
      This is what I thought.

      I would really like to check/shove if he was a big fish and liked to float wide, do some crazy moves. AF>3 :)
    • pleno1
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      Because the pot is infalted, if we bet the turn we have to call the all in.

      Vs a villains jamming range on the turn we are probably going to be ebat, this is because the pot to stack ratio is less and because the board is paired.

      On the flop we may be more likely to go all in with a draw or Kx because its an inflated 3bet pot.

      As played it looks like an overreped qx so I would go with ti and expect to see more draws than Qx.
    • Farmarchist
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      What do you mean with inflated? :rolleyes:
    • pleno1
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      Inflated means that it is a larger pot. If we raised to 1.50 pre flop this would be normal, if there was 5 callers and then we squeezed larger then it would be an inflated pot especially as we are playing vs a shorter stack meaning effective BBS are less and thus pot to stack ratio is very different.