[NL2-NL10] QQ herofold preflop?

    • Imimba1
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      MP: $4.40 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 5 (2/41), AF: 3,0, Hands: 103
      CO: $11.50 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 4,5, Hands: 143
      BTN: $11.49 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 8, 3B: 7, AF: 4,8, Hands: 89
      SB: $6.63 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 19, 3B: 3, AF: 2,1, Hands: 298
      BB: $5.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 1,3, Hands: 72
      Hero (UTG): $11.35 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,0, Hands: 55618

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q :spade: Q :heart:
      Hero raises to $0.40, MP raises to $1.20, 4 folds Hero?
      Villain's VPIP and PFR is very nitty. 3betting an UTG raise from MP shows tremendous strength. I mean, his 3bet stat is probably 2-3% at max.
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    • patszerdonk
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      ALL in (look at CO stack)
    • BogdanPS
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      Considering that he has 44 BBs I would get the money in here. I can expect him to do this with JJ and even TT and AQ type hands.
    • Imimba1
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      Just because he has a small stack, it doesnt mean he is loose!!
      If I ONLY change the stack size to 10.0$ and leave the stats alone, it immidietly turns into easy fold.

      It doesnt matter if he's stack size is small if he has a VERY nitty range. It doesnt change his range.
    • BogdanPS
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      Of course if you changed his stack to 10 it would change because now he has 100 BB and not 44 BB which is a huge difference.
    • Imimba1
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Of course if you changed his stack to 10 it would change because now he has 100 BB and not 44 BB which is a huge difference.
      We are underdogs at 44bb, ad underdogs at 100bb.
      I do not see something which you guys obviously see, what is it? :f_biggrin:
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Of course if you changed his stack to 10 it would change because now he has 100 BB and not 44 BB which is a huge difference.
      We are underdogs at 44bb, ad underdogs at 100bb.
      I do not see something which you guys obviously see, what is it? :f_biggrin:
      So you are saying that the range of someone 44 BB deep is the same as someone playing 100 BB? ;0
    • Imimba1
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      "So you are saying that the range of someone 44 BB deep is the same as someone playing 100 BB? ;0"

      Luckily we have stats, so we can avoid answering this question here. :coolface:
      I just know, what is a fact: this guy has vpip:10, pfr:7, 3b:5.
      He 3bets a big UTG raise from MP. You cant represent more strength, then that.
      A NIT 3bets a BIG utg raise from a TAG.
      He has 44bb, going broke we need 45% equity here. Vs QQ-AA, AK we have 40% only. He virtually never bluffs here. From MP vs UTG, a NIT?
      Nevah

      Folding QQ may be weak, but calling is worse.
      I'm honestly trying to understand why you all think this can be a call. I really do. But for me it still looks like an impossible call, or marginal at best.
    • Imimba1
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      (above)
    • BogdanPS
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      Originally posted by Imimba1
      "So you are saying that the range of someone 44 BB deep is the same as someone playing 100 BB? ;0"

      Luckily we have stats, so we can avoid answering this question here. :coolface:
      I just know, what is a fact: this guy has vpip:10, pfr:7, 3b:5.
      He 3bets a big UTG raise from MP. You cant represent more strength, then that.
      A NIT 3bets a BIG utg raise from a TAG.
      He has 44bb, going broke we need 45% equity here. Vs QQ-AA, AK we have 40% only. He virtually never bluffs here. From MP vs UTG, a NIT?
      Nevah

      Folding QQ may be weak, but calling is worse.
      I'm honestly trying to understand why you all think this can be a call. I really do. But for me it still looks like an impossible call, or marginal at best.
      I wouldn't actually call. If anything I would 4-bet and go with the hand.

      It's true that villain seems nitty but the sample isn't huge. I've had plenty of session where I played this tight (even tough for 6 max I'm normally in 20s). It's enough for him to raise fold once every few hands for us to show a profit shoving (and only getting calling by QQ+, AK). If you really think that he is so tight then just fold and treat QQ like you would 99-JJ here.
    • Imimba1
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      also true, thanks Bogdan! :heart: