[NL20-NL50] Fr50 Qq

    • Evante
      Evante
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.12.2009 Posts: 833
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $39.75
      BU:
      $72.24
      SB:
      $21.85
      BB:
      $50.00
      UTG2 (Hero):
      $68.55
      MP1:
      $19.25
      MP2:
      $50.75
      MP3:
      $23.46


      Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with Q, Q.
      Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.50, 3 folds, BB raises to $6.50, Hero calls $5.00, MP3 folds.

      Flop: ($14.75) 2, T, 2 (2 players)
      BB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50.

      Turn: ($29.75) A (2 players)
      BB bets $10.50, Hero ?,
      Final Pot: $29.75.


      Villain 16/12/2.6AF over 1.5k hands

      4% 3bet/ 4% SQZ/ 3% 3bet UTG OOP/ 100% fold to 4bet (8/8)

      overall flop cb 75%, turn 46%.

      WTSD 20%, wins 52%

      I didnt want to 5bet/call him as likely i will face either AA,KK,AK or maybe QQ.

      is my line ok?
  • 4 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      • 19.11.2012, 17:35
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by EmanuelC16: 19.11.2012 20:51.
      I doubt your 4bet has folding equity so getting it in preflop sucks more vs such a range.

      Furthermore, he has a tight range which you probably are about 47% against:


             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    40.24%  38.38%   1.86% { QdQh }
      UTG+1  59.76%  57.91%   1.86% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


      [Yes, I know.. nits gonna nit]

      You don't have position so you probably lose more of that 40% equity. Personally I would either consider setmining with deeper stacks and/or deeper MP (more implied odds) or turbo muck preflop.

      The short version: no equity edge, no position, skill edge won't make up for such stacks and tight ranges imo => fold.

      LE: Equity was wrong since I forgot to clear the flop. Seemed fishy to be flipping with QQ vs QQ+, AK preflop. :f_biggrin:
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      True story ;)

      Fold PF vs such a nit ;) That's how you exploit him
    • Evante
      Evante
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      Joined: 07.12.2009 Posts: 833
      • 20.11.2012, 10:12
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Evante: 20.11.2012 10:14.
      what if i do have position?

      btw i do do have position here



      so both of you suggest i fold pre QQ if i am not deep enough?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      Misread him as BU.

      I still think it's a fold. Since he is BB and squeezing vs EP opener his range will be very very value heavy designed to cooler you imo.

      Even with position you have to call with a winning equity of 38% of the time. Can you make up for the equity disadvantage with position vs such a tight range?! I still think deeper (125bb+) stacks vs squeezer or AT LEAST 100bb+ with both players so you have more implied odds, especially vs a weak MP player. Keep in mind that the fish in the pot will also keep BB honest so he probably won't cbet AK when he completely wiffed.