[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - KK when to raise?

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey guys,

      Should we raise the flop? I think a small raise on the flop is the best play there is :P . But not sure.

      Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2005207
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      BB: $26.55 - VPIP: 53, PFR: 42, 3B: 30, AF: 5.0, Hands: 19
      UTG: $52.37 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 795
      Hero (MP): $28.35 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 3.6, Hands: 535061
      CO: $35.84 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 3.1, Hands: 223
      BTN: $29.02 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.8, Hands: 144
      SB: $9.75 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 2.1, Hands: 504

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with K :diamond: K :heart:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.25, BB calls $2.75

      Flop: ($8.60) 3 :heart: 2 :heart: 6 :club: (2 players)
      BB bets $2.00, Hero calls $2

      Turn: ($12.60) 6 :diamond: (2 players)
      BB bets $3.00, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $5

      River: ($28.60) 7 :heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $14.10, BB calls $12.30 all in

      Final Pot: $53.20
      BB shows 8 :heart: 8 :club: muhahahahahahahah finally
      Hero shows K :diamond: K :heart:
      Hero wins $51.20
      (Rake: $2.00)
  • 4 replies
    • SPeedFANat1c
      SPeedFANat1c
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      Joined: 04.01.2009 Posts: 5,075
      I also think raise on flop would be good. The board is not scary, so he can call with lot wider range. Also sometimes he might have flushdraws, like ATs if he agresively 3bets it.
      On turn or river might ace face up and it would kill the action. On flop he could call small raise even with A high I think.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      I also think raising flop is best. He usually has a pair or good enough FD he wants to get it in so I think raising to about 5 on the flop and shoving any turn is the way to go. If he shoves flop himself then that's awesome too.

      People call 4bets with quite crappy hands if you give them good prelfop odds so you can be sure if he hitz he stackz. That said, I would probably never raise here since I think he has some sort of hand he likes.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      I also think raising flop is best. He usually has a pair or good enough FD he wants to get it in so I think raising to about 5 on the flop and shoving any turn is the way to go. If he shoves flop himself then that's awesome too.

      People call 4bets with quite crappy hands if you give them good prelfop odds so you can be sure if he hitz he stackz. That said, I would probably never raise here since I think he has some sort of hand he likes.
      Wait wait :P . I'm a bit confused :D

      So raise flop but as played call turn? Then how do we get stacks in comfortably? :)
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      I also think raising flop is best. He usually has a pair or good enough FD he wants to get it in so I think raising to about 5 on the flop and shoving any turn is the way to go. If he shoves flop himself then that's awesome too.

      People call 4bets with quite crappy hands if you give them good prelfop odds so you can be sure if he hitz he stackz. That said, I would probably never raise here since I think he has some sort of hand he likes.
      Wait wait :P . I'm a bit confused :D

      So raise flop but as played call turn? Then how do we get stacks in comfortably? :)
      Yeah, if you don't raise flop when he is most likely to pay you off, I'm not really thrilled about raising turn. I prefer to either go passive until the river or raise flop when most pays off. Raising turn doesn't make much sense. Sorry about the confusion, it was quite late in Romanian when I posted that.

      Short story: flop raise looks most bluffy, turn raise looks strong so does river raise but by the river the pot is already huge he will feel more committed than on the turn.