[NL2-NL10] VS squeeze

    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Joined: 10.07.2010 Posts: 1,331
      Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 6 Players
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      Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $11.50 (115 bb)
      UTG: $9.90 (99 bb)
      MP: $5.43 (54.3 bb)
      CO: $8.22 (82.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, Hero calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.90, SB calls $1.60

      Flop: ($6.20) 9 A Q (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($6.20) T (2 players)
      SB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

      River: ($11.80) 6 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      $11.80 pot ($0.78 rake)
      Final Board: 9 A Q T 6
      Hero showed J J and won $11.02 ($5.32 net)
      SB showed T K and lost (-$5.70 net)


      Villain's stats,


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      Hi,

      do you have any opinion about my play from Preflop to River?
      I think villain is squeeze happy.

      Thanks.
  • 13 replies
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Joined: 22.10.2009 Posts: 22,364
      Hello,

      Those spots are really interesting.

      Preflop I don't mind just calling against a raise from MP - a 3bet would be kind of overplay and fold of course is way too weak.
      When SB reraises I think we could either call and play postflop IP or just jam it.
      I do prefer shoving here because of the following reasons:
      - people 3bet and 4bet as a bluff, but don't 5bet
      - our line looks so weird and he might call us lighter
      - we don't get to postflop play

      So in my opinion against a squeeze happy person shoving preflop is best.

      Flop is one of the worst and actually hits his range very well so checking back and giving it up is good here.

      On the turn I do prefer folding though. We don't draw to the nuts, we don't really get good pot odds, we could be against a better FD and will loose money on the river, so I think folding here will be the best.

      On the river no need to bet.
      I don't think better hands are folding, neither worse are calling.

      Do you have anything to add or ask here?

      Best,
      Plamen
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Hi,

      Originally posted by kymupa

      So in my opinion against a squeeze happy person shoving preflop is best.

      Plamen
      I think you mean if the open raiser fold then we shoving?
      do we 4bet shoving with bluff also?


      - people 3bet and 4bet as a bluff, but don't 5bet
      do you mean most of the people 5bet with QQ+,AK only?

      besides, if we noticed that the players behind us is squeeze.
      Is that good to trap with AK or JJ+?

      Thanks.
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Hello there.

      I like your questions and I think you are getting my idea.

      I think you mean if the open raiser fold then we shoving?
      That's right. If PFA 4bets we fold.
      If he just calls I might shove again just because I think he would be 4betting QQ+, AK vs this guy.

      do we 4bet shoving with bluff also?
      No, not really.

      do you mean most of the people 5bet with QQ+,AK only?
      Exactly. Most of the ultra maniacs preflop just end up playing for stacks with QQ+, AK most often and sometimes TT/JJ so this is why I prefer to shove here myself.

      besides, if we noticed that the players behind us is squeeze.
      Is that good to trap with AK or JJ+?
      Yes this is a good way to exploit them.

      Anything more?
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      do we 4bet shoving with bluff also?
      No, not really. [/quote]We know that people like to squeeze having weak hand range such as brocker, Ax and will fold alot to 4bet. Is that good sport to 4bet bluff? If yes, then how much we raise?

      Thanks.
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      If you are sure that he has a lot of bluffs then we could 4bet/fold here for something like $2.9.
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Originally posted by kymupa
      If you are sure that he has a lot of bluffs then we could 4bet/fold here for something like $2.9.
      we 4bet bluff then if villain calls then we give up on the flop?

      Thanks.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Originally posted by kymupa
      If you are sure that he has a lot of bluffs then we could 4bet/fold here for something like $2.9.
      we 4bet bluff then if villain calls then we give up on the flop?

      Thanks.
      What would you expect villain to call 4-bet with? A lot of the regs would call to trap KK/AA and sometimes AK/QQ.
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Originally posted by JHTAN
      Originally posted by kymupa
      If you are sure that he has a lot of bluffs then we could 4bet/fold here for something like $2.9.
      we 4bet bluff then if villain calls then we give up on the flop?

      Thanks.
      What would you expect villain to call 4-bet with? A lot of the regs would call to trap KK/AA and sometimes AK/QQ.
      do we cbet Flop like Axx because villain may fold KK, QQ and JJ?

      Thanks.
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Hello.

      I like the discussion.

      Basically, most of the people call 4b OOP very tight and cbetting is just useless.
      Also - our main plan for the hand was to bluff and take the pot preflop. It didn't work, so we don't need to put any more money in order to make him fold.
      So If I get called in this spot, I'd bet postflop only if I hit two pair+ and never as a bluff.

      My main advice for you is to try to keep away from those situations, because they lead to a lot of leveling and spewing and that will hurt your WR of course.

      Best,
      Plamen
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Hi,

      Is that any situation we call 4bet?
      Call 4bet with AA to trap?

      Thanks.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I think vs this guy with wide 3bet (and presumably wide squeeze range) the backraise with JJ is clearly the best play. JJ doesn't play all that well, many bad flops like this one. But it is also a great hand, is ahead of TT if he does squeeze it for thin value. And if we just take down the pot preflop, that's really nice too.

      So we have 2 options: Shove or small 4-bet.
      I'm all for a small 4-bet, provided you have a bluffing range here (allows you to bluff cheaply). If you are never bluffing when you backraise, I don't see any point in betting smaller. Just jam it in.
    • JHTAN
      JHTAN
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      Originally posted by mbml
      I think vs this guy with wide 3bet (and presumably wide squeeze range) the backraise with JJ is clearly the best play. JJ doesn't play all that well, many bad flops like this one. But it is also a great hand, is ahead of TT if he does squeeze it for thin value. And if we just take down the pot preflop, that's really nice too.

      So we have 2 options: Shove or small 4-bet.
      I'm all for a small 4-bet, provided you have a bluffing range here (allows you to bluff cheaply). If you are never bluffing when you backraise, I don't see any point in betting smaller. Just jam it in.
      Hi mbml,

      May you please answer my questions?
      Is that any situation that we call 4bet?
      Call 4bet with AA to trap?

      Thanks.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      You flat call with AA and KK ONLY when you think his 4bet is air heavy (meaning you think he folds to a 5bet >65% of the time). If you expect him to stack off 55% of the time or less in a particular spot, then I think you may end up losing a lot of value vs worse hands.

      For example if you have AA and opponent has JJ, board comes out KQXr and you lose so much action.

      The value of slowplaying increases dramatically when villain's 4bet range contains just so much more bluffs. So you allow him to hit some weak one pair hand or just put in more money in the pot with his crappy hands.