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[NL2-NL10] Way ahead way behind?

    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Prima, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $10.25 (102.5 bb)
      MP: $8.28 (82.8 bb)
      Hero (CO): $18.08 (180.8 bb)
      BTN: $10 (100 bb)
      SB: $12.80 (128 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
      MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.75) 5 J T (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

      Turn: ($1.95) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

      I'm in a fix as to how to play in these situations. He could have called flop with a Jx hand that has me crushed now. Or he could have overcards that he might overplay now.

      Is this the right spot to play way ahead way behind. Do I need to protect my hand against draws?

      Or should I turn my hand into a bluff and raise here and fold to a shove?

      I decided to play way ahead way behind and call down.


      River: ($4.35) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70
  • 6 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      How do you think a Jx plays the turn if we bet again?

      I can see him raising most Jx and calling draws like fd/KQ/89 or Tx. So we can bet/fold for value.

      Some Jx like JQ may still just call turn but JK and especially AJ would raise here.

      By checking we give him a chance to take a free card with his draws (Tx) and thus lose value. We also don't really know what he can bet and how many streets so you are gambling a bit (we know for a fact that he would be a Jx like this ,right?)
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      If the board did not have flush draws would you still bet/fold?

      Or say flop wasn't a flush draw and turn picked up a flush draw.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by maheepsangari
      If the board did not have flush draws would you still bet/fold?

      Or say flop wasn't a flush draw and turn picked up a flush draw.
      If it didn't have a flush draw he could have less draws but there is still KQ/89 and some AQ type hands.

      If it did pick up a flush some of his AQ/AT type floats would pick up another draw so I'd still bet/fold.

      Checking makes things way too difficult for us with two more streets to play because we know nothing about what he can float/bet/check.
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      On what board would you play way ahead way behind with Kings?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      I dont think u quite understand the concept of WA WB.

      WAWB means that against your opponents entire range u are either a huge fav or a huge underdog (90% fav or 90% underdog) that mostly applies to having tpnk or 2nd pair on a dry board with 1 high card.

      You cant "play WAWB" cos WAWB is not a line u can take, but desceibes the situation you are in. I suppose you mean whether u shuld pot control the turn?

      Examples include KK or A3 on an A72r flop

      In this case there are 2 flushdraws on the turn. So many hands can get a free card if u check.

      Betfold turn is best. He never folds TX imo and he raises turn a lot w jx a lot as mentioned by bogdan

      On river i cc on all blank rivers.
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
      Silver
      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Ok. Got it. Drawy boards still need to play like normal hands, bet/fold style. Thanks.