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[NL2-NL10] QQ vs 3bet by reg...

    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2017558
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (UTG): $10.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2,0, Hands: 59117
      CO: $3.83 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 10
      BTN: $10.96 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 0,0, Hands: 38 This is the first 3bet in 19 cases, so 5%
      SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 10
      BB: $5.58 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 39

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q :heart: Q :diamond:
      Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.10, 2 folds, Hero?

      QQ is weak if we get AI, that is a fact. That would incline me to call. I CAN NOT 3bet for value, and nor to bluff.
      Or maybe a min4bet. He probably ony jams AA-KK.
  • 6 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      In this positions i expect this nit to never hav a bluffing range. So my plan is to fold a and k high flops while calling once on lower flops to bkuffcatch vs ak. If u hit set thats great.

      As u said 4b is not great against a tight range. Im not folding though. Qq is too strong
    • Optroot
      Optroot
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2008 Posts: 250
      In general, I only stack off with QQ pre if villain stack off with TT+,AK. Since villain is tight and this is not the case, I'm not 4 betting. I'm never 4-bet folding QQ, If I 4bet the plan is to have a clear stack off or clear fold.

      Despite having a small sample, I'd expect BU to 3b reasonably wide with playable hands in position. For that reason you have to call with such a strong hand OOP.
      The general plan is to play passively on low board and c/f on K/A high boards.

      For the record, if you fold QQ pre to a BU 3b, good opponents will notice this and they can profitably 3b you with any two because you only 4bet KK+, and fold everything else.

      EDIT: By passive I mean I'm not about to c/r get it in on 9T2 rainbow. With some exceptions of course. If I find by self donking for whatever reason, I'm *mostly* folding to raises, unless we have a strong hand.
    • Saren113
      Saren113
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 2,973
      The problem with flatting here is that a overcard will come like 40% of the time right or is that for JJ? That I want to have said with that is that our hand is to vournble to 3b call.
    • Optroot
      Optroot
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.05.2008 Posts: 250
      Originally posted by Saren113
      The problem with flatting here is that a overcard will come like 40% of the time right or is that for JJ? That I want to have said with that is that our hand is to vournble to 3b call.
      Goto http://propokertools.com/pql

      Execute:

      code:
      select count(
      flopHandCategory(hero)= floppocket12 or
      flopHandCategory(hero)= floppocket23 or
      flopHandCategory(hero)= flopunderpair
      )
      from game="holdem", hero="QQ"
      


      Answer: 37.77% with QQ, 51.71% with JJ.

      It sucks that we c/f that much OOP, but we still get a good price we can basically afford to setmine, with the added bonus that we will have a good overpair on most flops.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,779
      yeah we are basically half setmining and if low board comes we can bluff catch once vs AK cos we have right odds to call on flop.
    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
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