[NL2-NL10] Ax – Top Pair vs. Donk from Unknown, Will Raising Lose Me Value?

    • Raknyo
      Raknyo
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.12.2011 Posts: 422
      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 464 BB
      SB: 419.5 BB
      BB: 50 BB
      Hero (UTG): 107 BB
      MP: 147.5 BB
      CO: 127.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5BB) Hero has Q:club: A:diamond:

      Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 3.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (9BB, 2 players) 3:spade: 4:club: A:spade:
      SB bets 4 BB, Hero?


      I guess a raise here would be acceptable as we really have to protect our hand from a lot of draws but realistically, will SB have any of these draws often enough so raising will most likely lead to him folding weaker Ax hands which have little equity.

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 89.5 BB
      SB: 267 BB
      BB: 109.5 BB
      UTG: 200.5 BB
      Hero (MP): 102 BB
      CO: 100 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (1.5BB) Hero has Q:heart: A:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (9BB, 2 players) 9:diamond: 9:spade: A:spade:
      SB bets 4 BB, Hero?

      I guess raising here has less importance as we don't have to worry about our opponent turning two pair since any A8 or worse hands can't improve further.

      However, in both cases raising would allow Hero to easily fold to a 3-bet and give him easier decisions on later streets but is this want for easiness going to lead him to a lot of lost value?
  • 1 reply
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Same opponent?

      I'm not too concerned with losing value. Rather, the thing that should be in your mind is whether your hand is strong enough to play for stacks against that particular opponent.

      I would assume that this player isn't too good, given that he donkbets on Ace high Flops

      Your point on A88 being better than A34 to raise on is pretty much invalid. In fact I think raising A43 is better. It is far more likely for villain to have 8X on A88, than for villain to have 44/33 or 25 on A43. Thus, your relative hand strength on A43 is significantly higher and thus it would be a board I would prefer to raise on.

      With that said, if you are unsure of whether you can raise for value, you can call. Raising here would require you to know that
      1) Your opponent plays a really wide range of hands preflop. The more AX he plays preflop, the better your raise is
      2) He overplays Top pair with weak kickers postflop.

      In both cases, I'm not too sure? But I think given that he donk bets the Flop which is a play which doesn't make too much sense, I would think that he is a weak player. Raising can't be too bad in both hands.