[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL50 AJo

    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Black
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,334
      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      CO: $30.13 (60.3 bb)
      BTN: $53.72 (107.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $55.98 (112 bb)
      BB: $23.59 (47.2 bb)
      UTG: $56.34 (112.7 bb)
      MP: $56.87 (113.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
      UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, MP calls $3.50

      Flop: ($10.50) T J 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.50, MP calls $5.50

      Turn: ($21.50) 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $10, MP raises to $46.37 and is all-in, Hero folds


      Anon table.

      MP played 46/26 after 75 hands. AFq F-T-R 18-64-56, wtsd 32.

      Too nitty fold? 9 is one of the worst turncards for me...

      Potodds are 32%.

      I'm really not sure what to put into his range after his turn shove. Would he play weaker TPs like that? Does he have semibluffs (A:cX) in his range? Would he shove nutflushes, or just calls them?
      Vs monsters/TPs/semibluffs range I have the odds to call... But that could be way too optimistic for him to have.

      Board: J:diamond: T:club: 5:club:  9:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP3    64.30%  61.25%   3.05% { JJ-99, 55, AJs, KJs+, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 87s, AcKc, AcQc, Ac8c, Jc8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, AJo, KJo+, QJo, JTo, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs }
      SB     35.70%  32.65%   3.05% { AdJc }
  • 4 replies
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Black
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,334
      If I put QJ as the only semibluff in his range, all other combos being 2pair+, then I should fold...

      Board: J:diamond: T:club: 5:club:  9:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP3    71.09%  71.09%   0.00% { JJ-99, 55, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 87s, AcKc, AcQc, Ac8c, Jc8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, QJo, JTo }
      SB     28.91%  28.91%   0.00% { AdJc }
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      Hi pcf,

      I feel that you may have a leak (when it comes to playing Turns). I think you always err on the size of betting (not sure whether you are just betting for protection). We should definitely play more passively on Turns which improve our opponents range. On this card, flushes get there, and KQ did improve. We are beating very few hands now (QJ, KJ, AQ, 98) but I think our hand is still good enough to c/c the Turn.

      Remember, with medium strength hands, pot control is way more important than protection betting.

      As played it's a very clear bet/fold. You are just crushed so hard by his Turn jamming range.
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Black
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,334
      Originally posted by mbml
      Remember, with medium strength hands, pot control is way more important than protection betting.

      As played it's a very clear bet/fold. You are just crushed so hard by his Turn jamming range.
      Thanks, you're right, betting on the turn is quite questionable to begin with... Very thin value vs QJ/KJ, but beat by lots of combos, and we could even fold the best hand vs semibluffs...

      In the hand I folded after his turn jam...


      If you ch/call turn, would you ch/fold on most rivers? I mean if it's not J/A... What if another comes? Then we have a bluffcatcher...
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      It depends on his size. If he halfpots, I think I could find a call in many instances. He could very easily have the same, or perhaps even valuebet worse. If he bets big I think he's strongly repping something which beats you so I would just fold, unless you have seen him turn TX into bluffs here.

      For example, if I were playing as villain, I could see myself turning QcTh into a bluff sometimes and pot the Turn and River to push you off your JX hands. So vs a player like myself, you could consider calling again.

      But I doubt majority of players would bet large with weaker hands. And there aren't too many busted draws to begin with in the first place. So C/F is probably right vs a large bet