[NL20-NL50] NL25 SH - KTs: how to play flush draw against players that cant fold

    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      24/17/1.5
      No open limps
      44% steal from bu
      42% fold vs 3bet
      79% cbet flop
      19% fold cbet vs raise
      36% fold vs donkbet; 46% call
      61% cbet turn
      38% fold cbet vs raise turn (8)
      43% cbet river
      48% wwsf
      34% wtsd
      10k hands


      UTG: $27.14 (108.6 bb)
      MP: $16.23 (64.9 bb)
      CO: $15 (60 bb)
      BTN: $111.59 (446.4 bb)
      SB: $26.23 (104.9 bb)
      Hero (BB): $29.94 (119.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart: T:heart:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.62, SB folds, Hero calls $0.37

      Flop: ($1.34) 7:club: Q:heart: 4:heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero ...

      How to play flush draw against players that cant fold...
  • 7 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi,

      you have some options
      1) raise and barrel off
      2) c/c Flop

      I think both are fine. I like to c/c Ace high flush draws a lot cos they have showdown value and also your opponents may just barrel the Ace which improves you.

      With this hand cc is fine too, if we pick up additional gutshot equity (like the Ace or Jack) we can just c/r the Turn and rep super strong range of hands.
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG: $27.14 (108.6 bb)
      MP: $16.23 (64.9 bb)
      CO: $15 (60 bb)
      BTN: $111.59 (446.4 bb)
      SB: $26.23 (104.9 bb)
      Hero (BB): $29.94 (119.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart: T:heart:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.62, SB folds, Hero calls $0.37

      Flop: ($1.34) 7:club: Q:heart: 4:heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.40, BTN calls $1.70

      Turn: ($6.14) 5:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.70, BTN calls $3.70

      River: ($13.54) 6:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

      [spoil]Results: $29.54 pot ($1.52 rake)
      Final Board: 7:club: Q:heart: 4:heart: 5:spade: 6:diamond:
      BTN showed Q:diamond: K:diamond: and won $28.02 ($13.30 net)
      Hero showed K:heart: T:heart: and lost (-$14.72 net)

      I was thinking the same during the hand. If i raise flop i have to barrel down and see what happens, and get a really important read.
      With this read will be start raise TPGK for value and barrel it down? Like KJ in JXX or KQ in Kxx.
      Would you try to overbet with a real strong holding to see how he reacts? With a set in safe board for example..
      And how will i play flush draws against him next time? C/c flop and c/r turn? I doubt he will fold the turn... Try to donkbet?
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      hey,

      i think you fail to realize something. Your bet sizes hardly put any pressure on his top pairs. If you want him to fold TPGK, you should make it such that you can pot the River (and all-in). THat would look really strong and his KQ will be feeling the heat (and will probably fold a lot).
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      But on this river it would look weird the here betting pot with set. I think betting pot in this river looks more like a bluff because
      1- Here cant represent much st8.
      2- If hero has a set he might bet smaller because the villain hand dont look very strong to call a pot bet. (Unless villain is thinking at a high level and putting hero in a high level to so that hero will be betting strong for deception with a set in 4 for a st8).

      Turn i feel that by bet was small indeed.
    • Saren113
      Saren113
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 2,867
      GL with getting a station to fold ^^
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      Good luck for him next time when i have a hand :s_biggrin:
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Originally posted by Lunitis
      But on this river it would look weird the here betting pot with set. I think betting pot in this river looks more like a bluff because
      1- Here cant represent much st8.
      2- If hero has a set he might bet smaller because the villain hand dont look very strong to call a pot bet. (Unless villain is thinking at a high level and putting hero in a high level to so that hero will be betting strong for deception with a set in 4 for a st8).

      Turn i feel that by bet was small indeed.
      I get what you mean, but I doubt this player is strong enough to realize this. In practise people just do click call more often when the betsizes are smaller (which they should since they get a better price). There are some spots where you can get away with this sizing (for example with QT on 863KA a 40% bet on the river works perfectly), but this is not one of them. Especially the turn is too small, but yeah, river should be bigger as well.

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