[NL20-NL50] [SH] NL50 KK vs turn raise

    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Gold
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,317
      Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

      SB: $50 (100 bb)
      BB: $23.62 (47.2 bb)
      UTG: $14.38 (28.8 bb)
      Hero (MP): $61.16 (122.3 bb)
      CO: $53.69 (107.4 bb)
      BTN: $54.50 (109 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
      UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, CO folds, BTN calls $2, 3 folds

      Flop: ($5.25) 4 Q J (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

      Turn: ($12.25) 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $8.50, BTN raises to $17, Hero raises to $55.66 and is all-in, BTN calls $32 and is all-in

      River: ($110.25) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)


      Anon table.

      BTN played 75/33 after 25 hands, AFq F-T-R 40-64-60, wtsd 20.

      I know that turn raise from fish is generally strong, but can I ever fold this one vs him? If I dont fold (which I decided), is it better to call, and ch/calldown?
  • 5 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Hi,

      Just fold by default, and only stack off when you have a read. I think the fishier the player, the likelier he is to take this line with only monsters.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by mbml
      Hi,

      Just fold by default, and only stack off when you have a read. I think the fishier the player, the likelier he is to take this line with only monsters.
      I think it's closer than it looks like.

      There are a lot of possible draws and not that many strong hands. Fish can easily raise the flop with QJ and 55 so we already have to discount some. On the turn he can spew with for example a GS. He can even have A4cc so I think we should go broke on this board?

      Result? :D
    • duder1n0
      duder1n0
      Gold
      Joined: 07.07.2009 Posts: 5,317
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Result? :D
      55
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,858
      all stats except for 75/33/20h are pretty much useless

      fml when fish minraises ott.
      even though he looks on the crazy you really need a read to continue, spaz mostly happens otf or on bigger sizings.
      if he isn't bluffing the only hand that you beat is AQ, but still his range crushes you
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      Have faith in the baluga theorem and u will be fine..
      You'll need to understand the fish's mindset to fully appreciate it.

      Fish love trapping with the nuts or baiting with small raises.

      If he had semistrong hand like tp, if he wanted to raise he would do ot on the flop "for protection" and bcos he doesnt want to get lost in the hand if he wanted to bluff he will just cr flop.

      If he had the nuts,he prefers to let u put in 2 bets before raising. I just fold anway bcos only guys capableo raising turn light are stronf regs and completely spazzy fish.