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[NL20-NL50] still value?

    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $12.15
      SB (Hero):
      $24.75
      BB:
      $28.72
      MP2:
      $67.29
      MP3:
      $17.54
      CO:
      $25.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
      MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.00, BB folds, MP3 calls $1.50.

      Flop: ($4.25) 9, 3, 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, MP3 calls $2.50.

      Turn: ($9.25) T (2 players)
      Hero bets $4.80, MP3 calls $4.80.

      River: ($18.85) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 checks.

      Final Pot: $18.85.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of queens(Q Q).
      MP3 shows a pair of nines(K 9).

      Hero wins with a pair of queens(Q Q).

      he is unknown,A came on the river,can I still value bet here?
  • 3 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi Daisuke,

      Let's do an exercise together:

      What range does villain get with to the river?

      Considering the limited information we have I'd say his widest range for reaching river would be something like: 88, TT, JJ, 98s, T8s, A9s (some 9Ks, Q9s)some 99/77/33, 78s.

      And a more narrow range would be 33/77/99, 88, TT, JJ some A9s however he is short, min raised and called a 3bet OOP so he is most likely a fish and closer to the first range.

      So what do you think, how many worse hands does he have and how many can call bet? Consider we have only 1/2 pot bet left so any bet we make would have to be a shove.
    • daisuke3823
      daisuke3823
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,321
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Daisuke,

      Let's do an exercise together:

      What range does villain get with to the river?

      Considering the limited information we have I'd say his widest range for reaching river would be something like: 88, TT, JJ, 98s, T8s, A9s (some 9Ks, Q9s)some 99/77/33, 78s.

      And a more narrow range would be 33/77/99, 88, TT, JJ some A9s however he is short, min raised and called a 3bet OOP so he is most likely a fish and closer to the first range.

      So what do you think, how many worse hands does he have and how many can call bet? Consider we have only 1/2 pot bet left so any bet we make would have to be a shove.

      he is in position :s_confused:
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by daisuke3823
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Hi Daisuke,

      Let's do an exercise together:

      What range does villain get with to the river?

      Considering the limited information we have I'd say his widest range for reaching river would be something like: 88, TT, JJ, 98s, T8s, A9s (some 9Ks, Q9s)some 99/77/33, 78s.

      And a more narrow range would be 33/77/99, 88, TT, JJ some A9s however he is short, min raised and called a 3bet OOP so he is most likely a fish and closer to the first range.

      So what do you think, how many worse hands does he have and how many can call bet? Consider we have only 1/2 pot bet left so any bet we make would have to be a shove.

      he is in position :s_confused:
      So out of that entire thing you look only at the OOP part? :)

      I just typed it wrong. IP makes his range wider. So the exercise still stands.