[NL20-NL50] NL25 SH - AKs: pré-flop

    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
      Gold
      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      22/19/2.9
      7% 3bet average
      3.5% vs mp (3% oop).......3% vs utg
      42% fold vs 4bet
      74% cbet in 3bet pot
      45% turn
      47% wwsf
      8.8k hands


      BB: $41.20 (164.8 bb)
      Hero (MP): $25 (100 bb)
      CO: $9.65 (38.6 bb)
      BTN: $36.63 (146.5 bb)
      SB: $29.55 (118.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A:diamond: K:diamond:
      Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.35, Hero ?

      Even against this tight of a range should i go 4bet/cai?
  • 11 replies
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Hi,

      Yeah I don't mind just calling his 3bet and playing a pot, especially since we're in position. It also depends on your own stats, he might be 3betting 7% of average, but if you're a maniac he's probably 3betting more, same other way around, if he sees you as a nit, then he will 3bet less for value. But yeah, if you don't think he's 3betting overly light, and especially don't think he will fight back versus your 4bets much then calling is perfectly fine.

      ifs
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      Nice.
      Was what i did. We are so used to ear/play the standard 4bet/call with AK that we almost auto do it.

      [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $41.20 (164.8 bb)
      Hero (MP): $25 (100 bb)
      CO: $9.65 (38.6 bb)
      BTN: $36.63 (146.5 bb)
      SB: $29.55 (118.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A:diamond: K:diamond:
      Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.35, Hero calls $1.60

      Flop: ($4.80) T:heart: 7:heart: A:heart: (2 players)
      BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

      Turn: ($10.80) 2:diamond: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $35.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.65 and is all-in

      I guess there is no other way to play pos-flop....?
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
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      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Cool.

      You could possibly raise flop, but I prefer calling. Turn bet is fine, and you have to call his raise. Pray for KQ with K of heart and whatnot!

      Anyways, I think you played the entire hand well. WP

      ifs
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      I understand that by 4beting we would make bluffs to fold and only premium hands come over, so the call seeing by that point is good.
      But we can make a point against calling:
      - We only hit 1/3 of the time so he can make as fold with a worst hand (or we should float once with overs?)
      - When we hit we wont make much value from QQ, or KK in AXX and we will still be take coolers.
      So its not very easy to play against a tight range with AK calling the 3bet.
      What you think of this?
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
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      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      Of course there are negatives and positives for any line, you have to weigh the positives and negatives of any line and see what's best! :) Sure we'll flop TPTK only a third of the time, but that doesn't mean we auto-lose every time we miss! If we believe his range is strong enough for us to not be able to profitably call a single time when we miss the flop, then we are still making good decisions! Thank god we didn't get it all-in pre flop since we are still going to miss the flop 2/3 and then his range is super strong! Do you understand what I mean here? :)

      ifs
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      Yes.
      Do you think i could call here once in T62r if he cbets for example? Or 3% dont have enough air cbeting?
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
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      Joined: 11.10.2008 Posts: 726
      It depends on what you think his cbetting range is! Otherwise quite often if he has AK/AQ and whatnot and just decides not to cbet and then we can really win the pot often. What I'm saying is that I'm sure we'll find ways to increase our EV other than the 1/3 of the time we hit TPTK, whether it is by bluffing, being able to check down vs A high, or call down light!

      ifs
    • Saren113
      Saren113
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      Joined: 06.03.2009 Posts: 2,867
      Always cb Txx with broadways so many times you will pick up EQ so often.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      I think that we should opt for the safe option in this spot and just let it go preflop. 3% is just QQ+ and AK. Ones we hit our A/K then we don't win anything from QQ and we splitt with AK BUT have reversed implieds vs KK and AA (like in this hand prob). When we don't hit or A/K we have to give up almost any flop obv.

      I see nothing bad in folding preflop. vs something like 5-6% preflop 3bet , the call might be fine. Allthough even then I prefer 4bet/folding because we don't dominate a whole lot (unless you can exploit some postflopleaks of villain). When vill has 9% 3bet or something in that neighborhood I think we have an easy call :)

      What do you guys think of this???
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      I think suited AK is strong enough to call. And we get to win it really often on coordinated textures (e.g. JT9).
    • Lunitis
      Lunitis
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      Joined: 22.02.2009 Posts: 20,132
      I dont call AK vs a 9% 3bet, i prefer to get it in in those cases. But maybe aint bad idea against who folds much vs 4bet and spew pos-flop.