[NL2-NL10] ep 88

    • Imimba1
      Imimba1
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      Joined: 12.12.2011 Posts: 2,897
      Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2024694
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      CO: $21.32 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 18
      BTN: $4.20 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 30, 3B: 33, AF: 3.0, Hands: 10
      SB: $12.88 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 2
      BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 9
      Hero (UTG): $10.79 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 60388
      MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 77

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 8 :club: 8 :spade:
      Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($1.15) 2 :diamond: 7 :club: 4 :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero?

      Well, unknown villain. This is a WA-WB situation I think. He could have AK, and I'm way ahead. Or he has an overpair, and I'm way behind... so hard to play OOP.
  • 5 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hey Imimba,

      Preflop: Why do we call here? I'm assuming you call to setmine.

      Flop: Goes with the above. If we called to set mine we are simply ck/folding.

      And as you pointed out we are often behind here. I wouldn't say we are way ahead because a hand like AK, depending on suites still has between 25-30% equity (with AKcc being a slight favorite over us). Add the fact that we are OOP and we are in bad shape.

      So check/fold is my preferred line.
    • dienaszaglis
      dienaszaglis
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      Joined: 12.06.2008 Posts: 999
      Hi Bogdan!


      Let`s assume, that board is 274r and we got enough hands on the villain: he`s 22/20, 3B 10% from the BU and CB 70% in 3B pots. Would you still c/f?


      Cheers!
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,307
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      Flop: Goes with the above. If we called to set mine we are simply ck/folding.
      This is true, if we were calling to set-mine.

      I'm not sure we should be just calling to set-mine in this spot. This is the 4th time button has 3bet in 11 hands. Also it is a minbet. He could easily hold a hand like A2s or KTo.

      Against his entire range 88 is likely a favourite here. The downside is we are OOP and there are a lot of bad turn cards for our hand. A lot of the worse hands still have decent equity as Bogdan alludes to.

      I definitely think we can consider calling flop though, especially if our opponent is going to play straightforwardly on the turn.
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by dienaszaglis
      Hi Bogdan!


      Let`s assume, that board is 274r and we got enough hands on the villain: he`s 22/20, 3B 10% from the BU and CB 70% in 3B pots. Would you still c/f?


      Cheers!
      I'm assuming we are also talking about a regular 3-bet size and not this min 3-bet.

      If it's a regular 3-bet size and we know a bit about villains tendencies then yes we wouldn't fold the flop. But to call a 3-bet with 88 and bluffcatch/try to get to showdown we need more info on villain (which in your example we should have.

      @ w34z3l:

      How do we know this is the 4th BTN has 3-bet in 10 hands? BTW this hand is counted in this sample (since he is using HM).

      33% 3-bet just means he most likely 3bet 1 in 3 or 2 in 6. To 3-bet you need to have someone that raises in front of you.

      And since we have 0 info on the guy we can't assume he is going to play straightforward. All we know is that he 3-bet preflop and bet flop, which indicates that he may continue a lot.
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Sry, not thinking clearly, got #hands and 3bet sample size mixed up.

      It still becomes more likely than not even over a 10 hand sample that his 3betting range does not contain just premiums. (Even if it's 1 3bet, and it could potentially be 3.) This is somewhat enforced by the fact that he is min 3betting.

      Imo hero is clearly ahead of villain's range on the flop. The only reason you wouldn't continue on the flop is if you felt villain would barrel the turn effectively.

      I'm not necessarily saying hero should call, I'm just pointing out that there are circumstances where continuing with the hand is clearly the correct option.